Chicago White Sox Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 17 minutes ago, WBWSF said: MLB Trade Rumors has said the Mets will be looking for a new GM this off season. Maybe the Mets will want to hire Hahn as their new GM. Maybe they'll hire you if you write old Wilpon a letter! 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 27 minutes ago, WBWSF said: MLB Trade Rumors has said the Mets will be looking for a new GM this off season. Maybe the Mets will want to hire Hahn as their new GM. Unless he's planning on getting a Bobby Bonilla deal, Hahn is better off in an organization he owns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Its funny because people keep saying how mess up the White Sox are as an organization, then there is the Mets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Its funny because people keep saying how mess up the White Sox are as an organization, then there is the Mets. Two worst organizations in baseball, bar none. I don't think it is a coincidence that the Sox/Angels/Mets are among the most dysfunctional of organizations these days. Gee, I wonder what they all have in common? I include the Angels because they're wasting Mike Trout, similarly to the Sox wasting Chris Sale. I think it is time for the Angels to listen on Trout. Edited August 10, 2018 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 46 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Maybe they'll hire you if you write old Wilpon a letter! First move, trade for Tyler Chatwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 48 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Maybe they'll hire you if you write old Wilpon a letter! The perfect situation would be the Mets hire Hahn as their GM. I would then write JR another letter requesting to be interviewed for the job of White Sox GM. Being "The Worlds Biggest White Sox Fan" (WBWSF) I would give JR the most unforgettable interview he ever experienced. I'm sure after my interview he would really have no choice but to name me the new White Sox GM. Believe me White Sox baseball would be fun again if I was the GM. I WOULD MAKE THE WHITE SOX GREAT AGAIN!!!! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 37 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Its funny because people keep saying how mess up the White Sox are as an organization, then there is the Mets. And the Mets went to the 2015 World Series....so by comparison... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: And the Mets went to the 2015 World Series....so by comparison... YES FIRE EVERYONE!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrad Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Dick Allen said: Yes, but if you have a 3 a 4, an 8, a 10, and an 11, your farm should be pretty good. Remember, Hostetler did say he would have picked Collins 1-1. If it takes several top 3 picks for your guys to build a decent farm system, you need new guys. Great pick up dick he did say that, so our genius draft man says he would have picked him 1-1, what an organization Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 37 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Two worst organizations in baseball, bar none. I don't think it is a coincidence that the Sox/Angels/Mets are among the most dysfunctional of organizations these days. Gee, I wonder what they all have in common? I include the Angels because they're wasting Mike Trout, similarly to the Sox wasting Chris Sale. I think it is time for the Angels to listen on Trout. Did Seattle waste King Felix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 23 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: YES FIRE EVERYONE!!!! A new owner would probably make this dream of yours come true! 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 28 minutes ago, ptatc said: Did Seattle waste King Felix? Well, that’s pretty much why they’ve had four GM’s (including) that last 2001 playoff team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 21 minutes ago, Fan O'Faust said: A new owner would probably make this dream of yours come true! 😂 We need to fire the fans too. 3rd worst in baseball according to the article you are were so fond of. Gotta be safe here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Well, at least Mariners and Padres’ fans have close to perfect weather conditions every game...and it’s not like Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Minnesota O’Brien Detroit are doing particularly well, either. Maybe we should be emulating Milwaukee? (Of course, having Selig as commissioner has helped, as well as escaping the Red Sox/Yankees/Blue Jays.) The exceptions for tolerating terrible weather are always going to be the Red Sox, Cubs and Yankees (and their fans have taken a ton of criticism, too, in recent years.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 1 hour ago, ptatc said: Did Seattle waste King Felix? Absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 5 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: You just told me that I have to be in JR's inner circle to know anything, and then dropped a bunch of imaginary selling points of something by your own definition that you can't know. I have history on my side, as well as anecdotal evidence of Jerry's own statements, and the teams past behaviors. If you read what I said, I actually think it supports my argument. KW arrived in 2000 and Paxson in 2003. KW's teams have played( and won) in one World Series. Paxson's teams have never made the NBA finals. Yet both have their jobs. It may be loyalty, or business success but their longevity is not based primarily on the field/court success. So one more time, with JR's track record, I do not assume that " if we don't see progress by 2020 heads should roll" . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, SCCWS said: If you read what I said, I actually think it supports my argument. KW arrived in 2000 and Paxson in 2003. KW's teams have played( and won) in one World Series. Paxson's teams have never made the NBA finals. Yet both have their jobs. It may be loyalty, or business success but their longevity is not based primarily on the field/court success. So one more time, with JR's track record, I do not assume that " if we don't see progress by 2020 heads should roll" . Your last argument was that the team was being intentionally cheap and bad for profit. No idea how John Paxson fits into that, but ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 This used to be a site where intelligent fans hungout and discussed White Sox baseball. This thread is a dumpster fire. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 28 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Your last argument was that the team was being intentionally cheap and bad for profit. No idea how John Paxson fits into that, but ok. Not at all. My comment was " My point is that JR may not see it that way since financially the rebuild has been a success despite poor attendance. The question is JR more concerned about revenue or wins/losses. We will find out. I actually think at his age, JR may not care how much he makes since it is probably monopoly money at this point. Hence my last sentence "we will find out". But Jerry will be 85 in 2021 so I would not be surprised if he steps down or sells by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, SCCWS said: Not at all. My comment was " My point is that JR may not see it that way since financially the rebuild has been a success despite poor attendance. The question is JR more concerned about revenue or wins/losses. We will find out. I actually think at his age, JR may not care how much he makes since it is probably monopoly money at this point. Hence my last sentence "we will find out". But Jerry will be 85 in 2021 so I would not be surprised if he steps down or sells by then. I believe there was article sharing the his kids would lose a ton of money through inheritance if he sells before he dies. Also that he told his kids to keep the Bulls and sell the sox due to the inherent instability of the cost in baseball and the stability of the salary cap in basketball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 On 8/10/2018 at 5:30 PM, southsider2k5 said: We need to fire the fans too. 3rd worst in baseball according to the article you are were so fond of. Gotta be safe here. Well sure, we can do that, too, if you think we need to. Only one obstacle before we can proceed with this sage recommendation of yours, though: don’t we need to “hire” them to do a job, first? Can’t fire someone from a job until you’ve first hired them to do the job in the first place. And as far as we know, the fans aren’t on the payroll responsible for any aspect of the team’s performance. So as usual, you are probably right, but in this rare instance, maybe you are just off a bit. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Fan O'Faust said: Well sure, we can do that, too, if you think we need to. Only one obstacle before we can proceed with this sage recommendation of yours, though: don’t we need to “hire” them to do a job, first? Can’t fire someone from a job until you’ve first hired them to do the job in the first place. And as far as we know, the fans aren’t on the payroll responsible for any aspect of the team’s performance. So as usual, you are probably right, but in this rare instance, maybe you are just off a bit. 3rd worst fans in baseball according to the list you were quoting from. Decades of not supporting the team. Your standards dictate cleaning house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 On 8/10/2018 at 6:28 PM, SCCWS said: Not at all. My comment was " My point is that JR may not see it that way since financially the rebuild has been a success despite poor attendance. The question is JR more concerned about revenue or wins/losses. We will find out. I actually think at his age, JR may not care how much he makes since it is probably monopoly money at this point. Hence my last sentence "we will find out". But Jerry will be 85 in 2021 so I would not be surprised if he steps down or sells by then. Weren't the White Sox in the middle of the pack a few seasons ago in salary? Given the lack of salary commitments, and the flexibility, I don't see this coming into play for a few years. The question I have is if the White Sox want to "fast-track" the rebuild this off-season or wait until the 2020. A lot of these free agents may like the idea of a 4 year deal for huge money if it gives them another shot at free agency - the White Sox, if they really dove in, could offer 2 massive deals this off-season, and not impact future payroll. I sort of expect the White Sox to be only somewhat involved this off-season. It doesn't make sense to sign a 32 year old, but it does to sign a 27 year old if he fits into their long-term plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 On 8/10/2018 at 5:34 PM, ptatc said: I believe there was article sharing the his kids would lose a ton of money through inheritance if he sells before he dies. Also that he told his kids to keep the Bulls and sell the sox due to the inherent instability of the cost in baseball and the stability of the salary cap in basketball. Correct. Taxes would eat the profit from a sale alive. He said he is keeping the team until he dies then the tax situation is not as bad for his kids / other investors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 9 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Correct. Taxes would eat the profit from a sale alive. He said he is keeping the team until he dies then the tax situation is not as bad for his kids / other investors. LIP: That is from a Capital Gains standpoint. But I think the heirs have to resell after the death (within a few years) or they take a huge hit from an income tax standpoint. Also buyers get major tax write-offs to purchase teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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