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When was the last time the Sox finished in 2nd place. If that's what he's trying to do he's failing at that.

See ya.

watching the white sox the last decade sure has been "perineal". cuz they play like taint get it get it

I pray to god if I’m ever on trial that you’re not part of the jury. All it takes is one claim from some douchebag for you to be 100% convinced of something.

I read something about a prominent person on the autistic spectrum the other day, and it mentioned how one quirk of theirs is that they have rigid adherence to their favored ideas. I see this with Jack all the time. Nothing can talk him down from an idea once he believes it to be true.

Do I think Jerry values his profit margin over the Sox winning? Yes. Do I think Jerry is intentionally building 2nd place teams? No way. That is a pretty stupid business model and Jerry isn’t a stupid businessman, like him or not.

Your pessimism is on Moan4Yoan levels annoying. Like my god, I get you have autism and automatically fear the worst, but you’ve become completely irrational and a total slog to this board. Posting ridiculously dumb rumors in multiple threads to feed your insane negativity is a new all-time low for you.

My skepticism isn't going to go away until they make the ALDS for 2 consecutive seasons for the first time in franchise history.

Reinsdorf would certainly be a perfect go-to guy for advice on how to build a 4th place team, after what we’ve witnessed during this past dreadful decade.

This is exactly right. JR plays the long game, where financial stability is paramount. We’d all love his way of doing business if he owned a widget factory and we were shareholders. But it doesn’t translate so well to the owner-fan dynamic.

Everything does't have to be black or white. There are shades of gray in the world. The Sox spending big money this off-season will greatly improve the chances of winning a World Series. But that doesn't mean they can't win one without spending big cash. There's a lot of talent floating around in this franchise now. One wouldn't be wise to have no expectations, or to give up on them already.

JR has said for many years that a winning team is expensive. Keep in mind that Forbes magazine said that the 2018 white Sox (which lost 100 games) were the 6th most profitable team in MLB. As long as the team payroll is low the white Sox franchise is a goldmine for JR and his investors.

Cripes, Jack. You can believe this unsourced absurdity if you want to, but you don’t have to insult everyone’s intelligence for wanting a bit more evidence on the matter.

I think Reinsdorf just got exposed here and a lot of you are in denial. If you look at the evidence objectively it points to this. Use your brain people.

Whatever. David Samson is a scumbag, so he's probably exaggerating what Reinsdorf said anyway.

Criticize? Pal, when all someone does is parrot the same negative nonsense over and over its nauseating. Being critical is fine. Being preemptively critical of an off season that hasn't happened is obnoxious. I was critical of the miss on Manny last year, I made a couple posts about it and then I moved on with my life. If something makes you so angry that all you do is feel negative anger towards them with such frequency that that's all you post about, maybe you should root or follow someone else. If something makes me miserable I move on from it. I advise others to do the same because it's really annoying to listen to someone tell you how horrible and angry something makes them over and over when it's their choice to follow them.

This explains a lot about the 2000-2010 White Sox. It seems Reinsdorf is only interested in winning if it happens by accident. His goal is to build a 2nd place team. This makes too much sense for it not to be true. TIFWIW.

Oh this is dumb. A lot of things get discussed on this website- White Sox baseball, all baseball, our jobs, our relationships, and in days of yore, even politics. The typical White Sox fan experience? I will always love this team but I’ve been in the state of Illinois for all of ten days in the last twenty years. You guys talk about your hatred of the Cubs and it couldn’t matter less to me because I don’t even know any Cubs fans. Should I run around and screech at people for daring to talk about something that doesn’t interest me? If the guy wants to mention reliable info that our team’s owner is a good guy, then I’m interested. If you so totally do not care, then you are welcome at any point to...you know...stop caring.

The bottom line is Reinsdorf is not interested in pursing championships. And that should be clearly apparent to even his staunchest apologists. Finishing second is beside the point. The league played opossum in 2005 and gave him his one-hit, under-budget wonder. He hasn"t come remotely close since.

If he's intentionally trying to build 2nd place teams, he's not even doing a very good job at that. This team hasn't been to the post season in 11 years

That's not being gullible, that's being skeptical. Nothing wrong with that

His entire ownership has been a series of perpetual 3 to 5 year rebuilds. It"s just a friggin con.

It came coincidentally with meeting his profit margins. Of course he was emotional...LOL

You're right. He's not even aiming to finish as high as second. He's learned how to make boatloads of cash without being perineal contenders.

Your hatred of Reinsdorf really isn’t healthy. The dude simply said he’s a good boss which by all accounts he is. No one is arguing he’s an awesome owner to the common fan.

Pffftttt...”character of the team’s owner”. Oh, Reinsdorf is a character, alright. He showed wondrous character in threatening to move our Sox to Florida unless the state of Illinois agreed to his blackmailing. billionaire-making demands. He’s one helluva stand-up guy for the average White Sox fan.

And a fan who doesn’t work for the man cares about this...why?

Kenny Williams ranting repeatedly on air during spring training about how unreasonable the fans were to label them cheap just because they said they'd spend money and then didn't. Steve Stone insulting the fans saying they just don't understand what they're doing. RR being asked a standard question about what he does to take new information from analytics into account and publicly telling reporters that they should "F*** off". That doesn't even count Rick Hahn's "Friends and family plan" last offseason or bragging publicly about how he was going to add a "middle of the order bat" at Soxfest in January before...not. No other billion dollar business would ever behave like this. In 2016 the lack of professionalism came from the locker room and a manager that spent years not caring. This year, the front office was an embarrassment, to the same level as 2016. Rant after rant after rant and no discipline whatsoever. Shut your mouth you're being paid 7 figures to act like professionals, don't act like 5 year olds. Not even United Airlines is this poorly run that they'd spend an entire year screaming about how their customers just aren't smart enough to understand their business model. Maybe AT&T.

Jerry can make all the denial statements he wants, the quote fits his style since he owned the team. Please sell tired of you running team in Chicago like a small market city.

Rinse and repeat.

All Cole had to do was 1. Average 400 innings per year. 2. Be active for 162 games per year that are played in Chicago. 3. Win 5 CY Youngs in the next 3 seasons.

Because maybe I'm not so negative and I'm willing to give JR the benefit of the doubt for the time being. The guy who said this is a known scumbag, so it's possible that he's talking out of his ass. I'm not waiting forever. I'm giving him a couple more offseasons to prove this guy wrong. Who knows? Maybe this will motivate JR to open his wallet for once. I won't deny that it was an extremely plausible accusation. I left the Hawks for 7 years when Dollar Bill traded Roenick and Belfour, I've done it before and I'm not afraid to do it again. If I leave, I'll be back when ownership changes hands.

I 100% believed that the owner wanted to win until today. Then suddenly things have changed. I'm not 100% on the dark side yet but I'm considering it because the way they ran the Sox for the better part of two decades backs up what that guy from the Marlins said. I don't know what to think right now. This is a plausible accusation. I think I'm going to wait it out over the next few years and make Jerry prove this guy wrong.

It was quite frustrating. The White Sox had winning teams from 1951-67, but never had superstars. The Mantles and Killerbrews were on other teams. And Comiskey Park was big and expansive and not a homer hitters park, and the team never really was explosive. Finally, things bottomed out when they lost the last five games during a heated 1967 pennant race because their offense was exposed for what it was-terrible. Even though the 1967 team contended, it was labeled as "boring." They lost the first 10 in 1968 and it has been a Cubs town ever since.

I didn't believe that until today. I mostly believed what CWS and The Sir believed, that JR wouldn't go into the red for a season or two and that he had to at least come out slightly ahead, as well as being incredibly risk-averse with contracts. Now, I'm not so sure. I don't want to believe this is true. Reinsdorf had to release a statement denying that he ever said this, and that he actually wants to win. Take that for what it's worth. Even if it is true, it isn't like he'd publicly admit it.

Then you are completely unfamiliar with, or choose to totally ignore, the FO’s long-running record of futility. Why is it so difficult for you to reconcile fan sentiment where it stands today with all of the incompetence demonstrated the past two decades by this FO, the same FO who would have been relieved of their duties a long time ago by anyone of the other 29 clubs. The negativity you see today is a cumulative effect of all of the losing witnessed by our fan base as a result of this front office. The only thing to make that negativity dissipate is to FINALLY start winning again. It’s not enough in the least bit to be content just because the team is in the stage in the rebuild where the FO said it would be right now. That’s just a stage in a rebuild - it’s NOT winning White Sox baseball. Not yet, anyway. Plenty to be optimistic about, no doubt, but still plenty to be skeptical and even negative about; again, anchoring to the FO’s record. It’s up to the FO to change the fan base’s perception of them.

You never do. That's your argument, that some schmuck said this and they've been unsuccessful so it must be right? So every franchise who hasn't been successful over the last 3 decades is intentionally sabotaging? Yeah because the guy who said it is 1) extremely credible and 2) cited a great source when he said it, right? So that makes the evidence overwhelming?

In 2001 they had a cheap team with the #1 farm system in baseball and didn't do anything noteworthy. One of my favorite(sarcasm) White Sox things that they do is trade for a star player during their walk year. Wells and Colon fit this. They like to trade for 1 year rentals a lot. Hopefully they learned from Samardzija.

The flexibility goes away in 2021 though when guys start hitting arbitration. I'd feel a lot better if they could get Moncada and Giolito to sign extensions this winter, but idk how realistic that is.

But they've never been in this position before. So much talent and so much payroll flexibility at the same time. Unless you count last winter. But we all knew they weren't quite ready to compete a year ago. They are ready now with the right moves.

There's literally no reason to believe this isn't true. They had multiple opportunities from 2000-2008 to put the team over the top and win more than one title and they never did it.

I know everyone around here is expecting the Sox to be 'on the cheap' once again this winter. You can see it by the roster, trades and free agent signings they keep proposing. But I'm going to hold out hope that they shock us. Jerry did it once before in signing Joey Belle. He can do it again by signing Strasburg or Cole.

You're right, but they have to get really lucky. Lightning struck once, I'm not counting on it happening again.

Yes, mostly because he had multiple chances to put very competitive teams over the top from 1995-2012 and he never did it. The 2003 team was the most egregious example of self-sabotage.

i doubt the goal is second place but this is a second-place strategy and very much how the org has operated during their windows of contention.

He rebuilt in the late 90s as well. It's all part of stringing the fanbase along. He's never going to put them over the top. He aims for 85-88 wins as the endgame. They'll ride this core out and do it again if he's still around.

If you look at player acquisitions and trades over the last 25 years, it's fairly obvious to me that he's actively aiming for 2nd place. It makes waay too much sense.

The evidence is there. It's overwhelming. Just look at the last two and a half decades of White Sox baseball and it's clear as day. It puts all of the absurdity and madness into context. Everything makes sense now that didn't before.

His posts are not even worth reading at this point

Stop with the trying to improve one position by weakening another one.