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I just want to go into one season in the next five years, where I am not looking at flip candidates. It’s fucking depressing

I think if you compare the two most recent rebuilds, the previous rebuild was front loaded with a lot of potential superstar talent which is why the rankings were at the top of almost everyone's lists. The quickest way to rebuild is to have superstars in your system. I think with this rebuild the guys who have the best chance being top talent, have also shown some pretty big flaws (or are still super young). Whether it is injuries, or performance issues, or some combination of both, those top guys have a lot of asterisk's after their names. I will say I think that this rebuild seems be generating more depth. Even during the previous rebuild, I was setting off the alarm of how few position players we had in place throughout the system. We didn't develop any basic players. This rebuild is already generating guys in the 0-1 WAR crowd. Now those aren't the guys that you get to the playoffs with, but when guys have injuries, you can plug them in without disaster. They make good utility players to give guys days off. Most importantly for a team with payroll issues, if you are churning out guys like this, you aren't wasting $3 to $5 million a person to bring in guys off of the street to do these jobs. The Sox problem to this point is if you are going to make up the 30 games that we need to make up to get to the playoffs, we need a system that outperforms the team in front of us to gain games. I know the Twins are mid-collapse, but we have a ton of work to do to catch up with teams like Detroit and Cleveland. We need some stars. We need Colson to be the guy he was for most of his time in Chicago, and not the guy he was for a lot of the season in Charlotte. We need Hagen and Dutch to be those guys in the front of a rotation, and not a reliever like Grant Taylor. I keep saying, but the Sox need a top 2 pick really, really badly.

The team was the worst team in the American League. I don't think feelings have anything to do with an F grade for an F performance. Also, Ishbia is taking over in 4 years at the earliest, and you're "hoping" they're hovering around .500 by then. Sounds like a lot of F's still to come then. The cavalry from the 17th ranked farm system is on their way to save the 31st ranked MLB club.

If the Tigers and Cubs win game 5s, I’m done with baseball this season. Won’t care.

I don't think we are reading the same thread then.

We aren't signing flip candidates. At this stage we are still signing flop candidates.

We’re not even signing legit flip candidates

The only hurt feelings are the ones complaining about fans giving the 2nd worst team in baseball F grades.

Still a lot of hurt feelings over posters giving the 2nd worst team in baseball F's. You know these grades don't actually mean anything right?

If anyone looked like they were trying to lose, it was Ohtani

Thanks...now I am thinking it was Keuchel! I am getting old fast...LOL...can't remember recent stuff...ask me about the 80s/90s White Sox stuff and I remember it like was yesterday!

Looking at it another way, there are only a few teams that don't have much going on around their ballpark aside from surface lots. Dodgers, Angels, Brewers, and White Sox. Am I missing anyone? The Royals are trying to leave their ballpark because they don't believe the expressway/parking lots and not much else nearby model will work for them going forward. For the Angels, the NHL's Anaheim Ducks are developing a massive $4B entertainment district near Angel Stadium. It would be one thing if Sox fans could say "don't mess with success" because they are packing in the stadium through thick and thin. I wish that were the case, but 30 years of attendance data has shown it isn't.

They are idiots then. You are down to 2/32 left for Benny. Just eat it like a real MLB franchise.

Luckily for the Sox, the top of this draft is really deep. I would be happy with any of the top 4 guys: Cholowsky, Emerson, Lombard, or Spangler. Plus, Curiel, Burress, and Lebron could all up their stock. Sox should get someone really good no matter how the lottery turns out.

And it completely ignores the fact that the Cubs are FAR from the only team who has a ballpark village type of game day experience. You don't need to be playing day games for this to happen. Hell it is public record as to how much Atlanta is raking in doing just this.

Fathom might even bring back the Cubs Thread if they somehow beat the Dodgers...although not going to predict that one happening.

lol you brought up leury Garcias 3/16.5M deal as a big one to write off, but keppingers 3/12M 10 years ago is relatively minor?

And that’s why you don’t give up valuable outs. Murphy is just another old school manager apparently.

Do the Brewers realize they're down 3?

How much did Ohtani's interpreter bet on the Dodgers

He totally panicked after bobbling the ball

What a fucking disaster. Stop giving up first inning homers. All cause Murphy managed a terrible game 3

Brandon Marsh has been horrific in every at bat I have seen, and that last one was no exception

Keppinger and Keuchel

Batman! I mean, leader!

Leury Garcia?

31 local kid too River Falls WI

The Phillies, Mets, and Rangers, but they're all trying to build entertainment districts on their parking lots. l can think of a few parks that aren't necessarily surrounded by parking lots, but still aren't really walkable to a downtown or to an entertainment district - Miami, Toronto, Yankee Stadium. Houston used to be like that, but it looks like that part of downtown has grown up since I was there last.

Yes, I understand. Once again, I don’t care about the money either way. The guarantee I was referring to was expecting a 12 year old to be on the Sox in 10 years.

Then we aren't reading the same thread.

I definitely wouldn't say I'm happy. This team was an embarrassment to baseball last year and has otherwise been at the bottom of the barrel since 2008. I see what they have to do to turn this ship around given the asinine payroll restrictions and how bare the minors were of anyone who could contribute to the MLB team, though. I accept that this complete rebuild needs to happen, and am encouraged by what we can see so far of the progress made. There is still a long way to go.

Nobody's complaining about people giving Fs. The Sox certainly deserve an F, and those who have chosen to explain why do have a point. There are people complaining about those of us who gave Bs. A few of us have explained our criteria, and that should be it. I had expectations, they were exceeded. I'm happy. I want more, now.

And then predicting that a 12-year old will be a sure-fire major leaguer in 10 years. Wow.

The leader is good The leader is great

......and your question is answered 2 days later in the 1st inning.

The looks on A-Rod and Jeter's faces as they kept doing it was priceless

I believe teams can actually request to play more day games but it is ultimately up to the MLB to approve scheduling. It’s all in the CBA. Night games obviously make more money which is why they are the majority. But day games at The Rate are like a ghost town.

As far as I know, all MLB teams play mostly night games except for Sundays, some Saturdays, and a few weekday "get away games." The reason why the Cubs play mostly day games is because there is a city ordinance restricting them to only 35 night games per season, though I think they are allowed up to 43 night games to accommodate network telecasts (ESPN, Fox) https://www.illinoiscourts.gov/News/1488/Supreme-Court-History-Turning-on-the-lights-at-Wrigley-Field/news-detail/

We surrender our will, as of this date

When you just end up sober

The kids must also not be listening to our All-Star announcer. What a shame…

Hoping for a Brewers-Seattle World Series because f*** what MLB wants

On SoxMachine, some commenters are suggesting adding somebody like Kyle Lodise to Benintendi to get another team to take lots of White Sox money and take on his contract. While I'm the one usually firing back at those expressing dismay at wild trade scenarios, what in the actual f***?!?!?