greg775

The feeling I get with this Sox team is last night was one of those 60 u will win no matter what in a season. We lose so much that I have to believe this is one of the Sox most putrid teams in a good while.

Cool thread. ... Tex and Caulfield with the high ACT scores, nice. I got a 28 which shows I am not totally dumb. I didn't need the SAT to get into U of Kansas but did need the SAT to get in schools like Northwestern and U of I. So at the time the SAT was offered my junior year of high school I was living in Lisle and attending Benet (2 years), not living in Mt. Greenwood attending Bro RIce (2 years). Feeling nostalgic I got three Benet classmates of mine to agree to take our SAT at one of the sites that offered it, my old high school, Brother Rice. Benet didn't offer the SAT. I thought it'd be neat returning to my first h.s. I drove us to the south side early one Sat morning and the moderator made everybody show their ID in the classroom as the mods handed out the SATs. I was holding up my ID and the old brother yelled at me, "I know who you are!" and gave me the test without looking at my ID. I was surprised the old brother didn't whack me as they could slap u back then. . Br. Rice is so big he still thought I went there and hadn't seen me in a while, I'm sure. Distracted by a few different things I knew I bombed it. I got a 950 lol. Northwestern laughed at me and said I'd have to take it again to go with my stellar GPA if I wanted to attend NW. I knew I wanted to escape home and go to KU so no need to take it again. But my SAT score was soooo low. So bad. My friends did very well on theirs.

If they tell the truth it'd be 5,000 to 10,000. They'll call it 12 to 15000 IMO.

Gio was great. Don't care about no hitters unless starters can get them like in the old days. Masterful pitching and acceptable defense still wins. Nice win after a lousy Game One. Would be nice to win the series.

He is dealing on the mound. Gas.

Burger is one guy who knows the modern lift and pull. He can mash. Where to use him tho? Burger is a launch machine.

If the Sox are as bad as I think they are going to be they may trade a bunch of guys IMO and try to get 3-4 players in each deal including 1-2 GOOD prospects in each deal. For instance Eloy, Robert, Timmy, Vaughn, Sheets and both catchers and Burger plus Cease and Liam. Just get a ton of guys back including several GOOD prospects. The reason u can do this is there are no fan favorites anymore thus no uproar for the next rebuild. Maybe keep one stud as the Royals have done with Salvy. Mabe ours is Robert.

How many fans in the stands. Seriously. Are there 2,000?

OMG. Eloy is in RF. Comical at best; please stay healthy. Over/under on Eloy mishaps: 2 or 3.

Elvis is done unfortunately. OK, trade the Royals some lousy Class A pitcher or outfielder for either Mike Massey or Nicky Lopez. Might as well let a local guy play 2B during the rebuild/reload that's coming.

Tiny crowd. Do the fans need a ticket for Game Two or can they stay? Seriously will there be 1,000 fans in there for Game Two? They should be nice and let the patrons from Game One remain. I would never have thought our Sox would be this bad. Wowsie.

Managers are at the mercy of the gm more than ever before. Houdini could not magically cover the last four innings of games with this pen.

This actually could be true. We'll find out. We have no other choice.

I feel like we've become the Orioles during that long stretch of years where they knew after two weeks they were out of it. I'd say the Royals, but our players are more well known than KC's. Most managers don't apply 'discipline' nowadays. Players won't stand for it. Pedro is just another guy but I'm willing to give him a chance. He has to be scared to death though knowing there's a great chance they can lose every time they take the field cause of what will happen in the last four innings with this pen. Yikes.

I'd never blame Pedro for this. Like many have said, no manager could ever win squat with this bullpen. I think the fair thing to do is feel sorry for Pedro and support him cause cmon there's nobody who could win with this roster coupled with either brittle players or an awful training staff (injuries). This team is put together so badly maybe even Ozzie and AJ wouldn't want this job lol. Why would you want to manage this roster? Destined to fail. So hail to Pedro for trying.

Agreed, but it seems to me the Sox did not have that mentality prior to the tank/rebuild years which have morphed into this pathetic brand of baseball. My fear is this current situation which you describe well may continue for a long, long time. It's hard to envision a contender ever coming out of this core. Maybe if some of these still-young hitters turn into healthy phenoms.

Good post. There's just no hope right now. It's just another poorly constructed, bad baseball team with way too many holes to compete. There's no hope for this bullpen, none and no hope for the team defense. That leaves hitting. Hitting is the only area that might win the Sox a series now and then. I love Burger but he's about as bad as they come at the MLB level on defense.

Read about the violence in Chicago the past two nights all over Twitter. Sun Times and Trib had very little on the mobs attacking cars by Millennial Park. Any suggestions on where I should stay if I am coming in for 4 nights in June: Thursday thru Sunday on vacation? City or suburbia? Ballgame, zoo, museums, pizza, comedy show on agenda meeting people there.

Burger, Vaughn, Colas. Credit where it's due. Now that's exciting win. People who were there will return. Time to win a series and hopefully Burger will stay hitterish all year at GRate. It's easy to praise when Sox win but Burger does 'look' like a ballplayer who is into it. I was totally against drafting him. Hope I'm wrong. Iove his stroke sometimes.

A couple of posts in this thread are scary to me about what the White Sox have become. Add me to the category of fan who thinks it's unwatchable. I'm even ambivalent on Stoney and Jason now. I used to like to listen to them, now I don't care what they are saying. ... If that Eloy story is true, that's incredible. If he didn't care about a teammate's home run. And that ball by Burger was crushed. Looks like the new manager has made no effect on chemistry. ... Don't shoot me for this, but maybe AJ or Ozzie woulda/shoulda been the answer. I'm thinking if either had been given true authority (maybe not in this day and age) they'd kick some life into the team. Oh well. Jerry isn't selling I guess. Hahn apparently has no idea what to do if the Sox have nothing on the farm to go with this brittle team. I guess pretty soon we're all going to just shut up and not watch at all rather than me now being satisfied with watching the game summary after the game on mlb.com. And the Sox should hear your story and treat you to a game in the best seats after you having a bad experience with smug employees to boot.

Team motto: White Sox baseball: "We play for pay and don't work overtime." A second motto: "Show us the money and we'll give you an honest day's effort, no more, no less."

Anybody with a baseball brain knew the bullpen would break a lot of hearts this year. Just as the Sox hittters do not hit homers in a HR friendly park, the bullpen is a tranwreck once the starter is removed in the fifth or sixth. The Sox major holes have them resembling an horrificly bad team.

I prefer Beni-ball more than lift and pull BUT if all of baseball is doing lift and pull, not so sure Beni's 10 homers a year will cut it. The Sox need new owners to address the signing of free agents. I think a sale and total housecleaning is in order, even though changing owners doesn't always matter. For instance the Royals new owner seems buffoonish just like the last guy.

It might be time to change as fans. Just be happy we have a major league baseball team in our city to follow. I don't think anybody on this board has listed a viable scenario in which the team can get back on track as a contender for years to come. Not sure how wise it was to sign Beni for five years though some baseball experts like him a lot.

I think Sox are gonna be down a long long time. Five years more of this and team will be totally irrelevant I would think. Mabe Colas and Robert will lead a rebirth. When a team has so many overall weaknesses (bullpen, defense, no ability to lift and pull) it makes it hard to see Sox doing anything for years to come. ... I think given a choice I'd rather have our current team have stellar defense and bullpen than what we have now with no defense and no pen. I wonder if anybody on this board is thoroughly OK with Sox baseball right now. I mean it could be worse. At least Chicago still has 2 teams and there's baseball on the south side. San Antonio and Portland would love to have a team. I do concede there's a chance that when the weather gets warm the Sox hitters could erupt for 4-5 weeks at a time and we could win a lotta games at home with hitting alone.