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It's one of the negatives of a rebuild (don't shoot the messenger, it happens to be true). The roster makeup is such this team can't contend for the postsason so it's human nature to not give a bleep the final six weeks or so. I know baseball is a fun game, but a lot of the guys are nicked up, too. I'm just saying until we field a roster that's capable of vying for postseason play, the team will probably limp home playing this kind of baseball. When the team gets good, you'll probably see half the errors from say, Anderson. Just my take. It's easy for lousy teams to be lousy year after year, look at the dregs teams in the NFL and NBA as well as MLB.

No offense, but isn't Avi basically the same player as Ozuna? About the same age. Ozuna has drawn 45 walks to Avi's 29 in fewer plate appearances and he's whacked about six more homers. Ozuna has 17 more RBI which apparently means nothing with RBI stats discarded. Ozuna makes 12 mill; Avi 3.5 mill. Since the Sox seem to be enjoying not spending a lot of money aside from bonus money isn't it smarter to sign Avi two years 6.5 mill a year instead of Ozuna two years 15 million a year? It's not like we're going to need a superstar in right. Avi figures to pick up the home run pace back in the The Cell. Just saying ... Ozuna's stats don't scream "sign me!" I don't really care either way, but obviously I'd like Avi back if guys like Rutherford aren't going to make it. I guess Leury in right would be just as good as Avi as well.

Sox are back in the dumpster at 60-76. Terrible record. 33-35 at home. Only bright spot this season compared to the other tank seasons. Some nice home wins. Pathetic baseball team overall. Poorly put together squad in all aspects. However, forgivable (not to me) to many cause it's still rebuild/tank time. I'd describe the Sox this way: Some very good prospects in the everyday lineup. Just one or two starting pitchers have shown possibility of being elite. One elite reliever (I'll let you guys say two, I'm not a Bummer fanatic). Some very good prospects close to majors. Team need influx of pitching from outside the organization to hit the coveted .500 mark next season or more likely 2021. Projected playoff team: Likely 2022 if squad can stay healthy.

So the Sox are in the argument for worst franchise in baseball history?

Should be interesting to see how these guys play when we have a good team. My guess is they'll do well when the games mean something. During the tank years there's been a reward for losing in the draft pick.

Dick you are on fire with recent posts. I think if there was a vote you or Fathom might be overall "smartest" poster in terms of considering both analytics and common sense in coming up with your positions.

I don't really care when I get ripped or mocked. I just like discussing baseball. I know that in real life if I talked to my haters we'd be fine. They would see my responses are considered at least and my knowledge of Sox past and present would be strong enough they'd finally know I'm no troll. My dad actually was every-day business partner of one of the owners in the Jerry group (dead now) and we had season tickets in the fifth row forever and access to a suite in new Comiskey forever. Analytics people laugh at me. Big deal. I don't discount analytics. I do think it's unfair when people think I don't read or consider other's posts. If you look, most of my posts are long ones. I try to keep them short now cause people seem to get mad at me repeating myself. But when I see something obvious like a very good player like Jose getting torched on here, I often can't stop myself from commenting. p.s. In regard to exit velocity. I agree Dick Allen had to have amazing exit velocity, but on that home run he hit into the right centerfield nook at Comiskey, I think that was just a towering shot that took forever to get there. And didn't he play dead ball era and lower pitching mound era? I wonder how Dick Allen did in WAR. I'd argue he was a great hitter. Wonder how he pans out.

Very very good point Bubba. The teams with fewer WS appearances than Sox are Royals, Miami, Toronto, Houston, Texas, SD, Angels, Arizona, Tampa, Colorado, Milwaukee, Seattle and Washington.

Timmy is young enough he's "forgiven" for having meh war by the analytics folks. His defensive metrics are so bad you'd think there would be daily outrage on here considering the importance WAR gets. It would be interesting to monitor all his errors. How many of them actually cost the team in terms of winning or losing a particular game? How many were "meaningless" in terms of him losing focus in runaway wins or runaway losses? Seems to me from the memory test he hasn't had a lot of huge errors. Just boots a lot when he loses focus. -- As far as Ozzie's observation. Seems like Ozzie could be put to use as a roaving instructor.

It'd be interesting to discuss worst franchise in baseball history. The good news is the Sox probably are not in the discussion. There are 13 franchises with fewer WS appearances. Seven franchises have won only 1 or fewer WS titles.

I love Moncada and will never criticize his game. However nobody is perfect. People could criticize aspects of his play this season just like my fave, Jose. That said ... posters who read me know I love Moncada.

"Old has-been" ... well isn't that special.

I've been told I'm overreacting when I say people hate Jose on this board. They say nobody hates Jose. I'm glad you sense the same hate I do. Several posters have said he's basically worthless. Man, the guy is an all star, player of the month team for August, the guy is an all star, and an all star and people despise him. It's really sad more than anything else. Glad you are standing up for him and see what I do, Mr. Allen.

You mean if we want to win. They could stand pat and lose some more.

Hmmm maybe my way does work. Braves below .500 six times in last 30 years? In other words they are always competitive. Good job, White Sox.

It's good to say "no offense" to tone down an internet post. You don't want to insult and maybe get suspended when you didn't mean anything personal.

I dislike Reinsdorf, his saving grace for me is 05 which I am very thankful for, but I've never heard "despicable" to describe him. For him to be despicable a lot of things have to be true: like the small market crap is all a sham and he's had the $$ to dominate this division and just elected not to do so. ... Renteria is not the worse manager in Sox history. This team was close to .500 at the all star break and it's one of the worst rosters put together in team history.

Our young pitchers are so inconsistent. Some nights they rack up the strikeouts and you think we'll have almost all our future winning rotation from tank/rebuild acquisitions. Then other nights they reek so badly you wonder if we need to go with 3-4 veteran free agent starters. I realize we'll not give up on the younguns but some nights they really blow chunks, others they are dandy.

Don't sweat it. We know you are a passionate person and seemingly a caring guy.

And whether people are inhertently lazy or not . Actually I have some opinions on that if we have a thread

I laugh at how we in America are all or nothing. Like the radical candidates on the one side want the US to implement socialism. They think the government running everything will work? Ugh. How bout simply working on healthcare and the student loan problem and the minimum wage problem and call it good. Can you imagine if got rid of capitalism? It's so silly to even think about it. Let's work on what's wrong but stop talking about socialism being a good thing for the USA for gosh sakes. Silly.

You aren't going to have to move if the next presidential election goes to somebody who thinks as you do. I thought work 60 and get paid for 40 was the mantra of most white collar workers, nyuk nyuk.

Uh oh. Did you watch the debates?

It makes you wonder how smart baseball minds could come up to the conclusion they want John Jay on a tank/rebuild team. Weird. Almost like giving away the 4 mill or whatever he makes.

To those who want the Sox to save pennies here and there ... there should be outrage over the John Jay acquisition. He was not needed.