southsider2k5

DRINK!

Then the world is probably ending.

Too bad we didn't do that in 2024 when we took Hagen Smith instead of Konnor Griffin.

SEE HE WAS RIGHT!!!

It's great to see I don't need to reply for days, and these same ridiculous arguments keep happening.

I actually ran into the guy randomly like twice. Once in the basement of the Hyatt Regency waiting to get into a Soxfest, and then about a year ago, he was on a plane to NYC with me.

Nice

DRINK!

Jerry: GET ME GETZ RIGHT NOW!!!

Still would love to hear what happened to the Yankees.

Castellanos to SD

Yeah look, I could even see getting the LAST guy into the deal confused a LOT easier than the headliner. You are right that Acunas name had been in the rumor mill since the first Mets rumor reporting. He is 100% the guy they should have studied the most and in excruciating detail. If the last guy, who was a newly drafted 12th round pick from a non-baseball school was the one you mixed up, it would have been more understandable. Not great mind you, but lack of exposure, recent pro, last guy in a deal could come from a list of guys, or even be the guy added in last minute to sufficiently sweeten a deal to close it. Acuna is the headliner. He even has MLB ABs, not to mention the YEARS of MiLB stuff. He should be all over you analytics studies. He's the reason you made the deal. He's the reason you picked this deal instead of a better talent offer, but including cash, to the Reds. He's the reason you might have taken a lesser Mets offer instead of including cash. Acuna is the guy you can't miss on, and you are making a literal back of baseball card mistake on? And not one person in the organization fixes is after 4 times? If he really doesn't do research into the work his people underneath him are doing in a trade, to the point where he doesn't know the players he is getting, why is he the GM?

Well Soxtalk knew Acuna hadn't been a switch hitter, so +1.

Well damn, I thought this was about the poster.

No he is not going to do the ground work here. He isn't doing the scouting or the analytics work here. He is, however, expected to gather the results of said groundwork and study it and know it before making a deal. Just because he didn't DO the actual gruntwork here, doesn't mean he wouldn't be studying the results of said work.

I expect Ray to do more research into Soxtalk posters than I do Getz into the players he aquires.

Again, not just the stats, but all of that in depth analytical work they should have done on him, his swing speed, his launch angles, etc, etc,, and not just from one side of the plate, but both. It also should have contained the analytics about what they feel they could fix in his swing to get him to realize whatever ceiling they see the guy as having. The guy signing off on this deal HAS to be involved in this stuff in excruciating detail if he is really signing off on this stuff, otherwise why is he here? There should be no forgetting what these guys are if you are to the point you are approving trading Luis Robert for them. You might have the underlyings doing the work of gathering the data and creating the analytics, but it is your job to have studied it and understand it in order to decide on a deal.

One of the supposedly massive changes that was supposed to have just happened was all of this new information and player analytics. It was supposed to be where we were investing money instead of the active roster. In theory, the guy signing off on a trade would have had this information to analyze and discuss with all of the amazing new hires where they would have kicked around things like expected output from each side of the plate, as well as what the franchise sees that they could do to, let's say, "fix" Acuna into a guy that realizes his potenial, again from both sides of the plate. This is supposedly the stuff that was fixed by firing the people who have been fired in the last couple of years. Yet still, not once, not twice, not three times, and actually four times, the man at the top of the depth chart made a really glaring mistake, and apparently was not once challenged INTERNALLY, or by the Sox media, but was questioned enough by outside social media to where outside sports media picked this story up, before it was FINALLY addressed by Sox media and the Sox. We still don't have a single detail about how this happened, and what affect, if any, it had on this post season and trade. But haha, Chris Getz made a mistake and that's it. No more questions. Done. Over. Its the same old Sox, even with a different name on the door.

We do have a hole to fill without Clevinger in camp.

And media on a leash that doesn't challenge themselves enough to ask the obvious follow up questions, and instead just parrots what they were told. Good boys.

Or even a breakdown of all of these statistical analytics we have been hearing about, plugged through our new analytics department, with breakouts of performance, and expected gains from the right and left side being detailed in front of him so as to judge what Acuna will look like in a year, two years, three years, etc. There should have been a ton of data on the players we were looking at, which was double/triple checked by everyone up and down the pipeline, complete with staff discussions up and down the lines from scouts to Getz and back again, so that all details are covered and NOT confused. Where were the fail safes here?

The guy signing off on trades repeating the same thing 4 times, no one correcting him, and then laughing about it doesn't give me a lot of hope for all of this "change" that we keep hearing about. It means over the course of time, either no one approached Chris to correct him, Chris is so isolated that no one could tell him, or that the entire group thought the same thing so no one would have corrected him. I am not sure why the first option would happen, especially since we know the Sox monitor their press for perceived reactions, so if was an honest mistake, you would think someone would approach him for when he said it at least the 2nd time, even if for some reason they blew off the first one. The 2nd and 3rd mean that despite moving chairs around on the Titanic, it's the same mom and pop amatuer hour that it always has been. I don't think we can make the assumption that this trade wasn't affected if the guy up top didn't realize exactly what he was getting, Did the fact Getz thought Acuna was a switch hitter up his value in the Sox eyes? Did they settle for a lesser 2nd piece, or not a 3rd piece because of this? It's not a leap of faith at all to think the perceived value of Acuna was enhanced because we thought he was a switch hitter. I know in letting this be a "joke", instead of having a media that asks some decent follow up questions to this, we will never get any next level answers, but thus is Soxfandom.

Not to mention Kenny Williams is still mocked to this day for a couple of his dumber mistakes.

Ope.

Your name calling started before that point. That was a reply to your post, and not an initiation, as you used the terms "unfair", "bitter", "spin", "purposefully dishonest", and "doesn't understand". People in cults tend to call anyone who questions them, or their leader, all sorts of names, not in an effort to disprove their point, but to invalid THEM. If you would like to go back to a baseball based conversation, that's fine, but you aren't going to gaslight me into silence when you come out swinging.