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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 05:04 AM) You could use the term "awful" to describe every trade KW has made for the last three + years. Fortunately for him, we're in a second-rate division. But now that the 20 ton elephant that is the Twins are right back in this thing, it appears once again that will have to beat them when it counts. And I don't like those odds one bit. The Sox are going to have to beat the Twins one way or another. Regardless of whether the Twins are actually in the race - they apparently will be - the Sox have to make it a priority to beat those f***bags. f***ing 0-4 this year, 5-13 last year...you think they might get the concept that this is THE team you have to beat. Yeah, no, of course not. ALWAYS CATCH EM WHEN THEY'RE PLAYING WELL (with a AAA lineup and a garbage pitching staff)

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 05:04 AM) You could use the term "awful" to describe every trade KW has made for the last three + years. Fortunately for him, we're in a second-rate division. But now that the 20 ton elephant that is the Twins are right back in this thing, it appears once again that will have to beat them when it counts. And I don't like those odds one bit. The Sox are going to have to beat the Twins one way or another. Regardless of whether the Twins are actually in the race - they apparently will be - the Sox have to make it a priority to beat those f***bags. f***ing 0-4 this year, 5-13 last year...you think they might get the concept that this is THE team you have to beat. Yeah, no, of course not. ALWAYS CATCH EM WHEN THEY'RE PLAYING WELL (with a AAA lineup and a garbage pitching staff)

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 19, 2011 -> 01:56 PM) Sox are one good losing streak away from being 10 under and getting Ozzie fired now. Especially with the Marlins wanting him. Things can go downhill in a hurry. Thing is, KW deserves the axe just as much. Well if they're one good losing streak away from being 10 under, it means they're one good winning streak away from being .500. They aren't going to fire Ozzie during the season. I don't recall how they handled the Bevington firing, but I know they waited until after the season to fire Manuel. I think the last manager they fired during the season was Lamont. That was like 15 years ago.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 18, 2011 -> 03:58 AM) WTF. What kind of horses*** is this thread? Take your hate and post on ESPN where no one cares about posting quality. He made a legitimate point. He sort of rehashed the Hudson/Jackson stuff, but mostly made a point about the White Sox organization in general. I don't see a problem with anything he's done.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 09:56 PM) If you are gonna do it, Saturday is the day to make it happen. Check out the career stats vs. Zach Duke: Dunn 8-17, 1 2B, 2 HR, 3 BB, .471/.550/.882 Pierre 4-24, .167/.167/.167 none.of.that.means.a.god.damn.thing

Didn't read the post. Didn't care to. Firing Ozzie Guillen isn't going to win a division; nor is firing Kenny Williams. Can we put an end to these threads for a while? I know people want Ozzie fired, but not right now; that's an end of the season thing; an end of the regime thing. Honestly, even if you put "Discuss" at the beginning of it, and then quote an article - you are the dumbass that decided to quote the article. If the White Sox don't win the division this year, all of those in favor of a new manager will get one; all of those in favor of a new GM will get one. f***, just wait. f***ing NHL just ended. s***.

Rumor has it that at some point during the next 3 weeks, Garrison Dam is supposed to let out ~180 cfs. Rumor has it. "Fact" says that sustainted periods of 150 cfs puts the river at 21.5 (without considering river scouring, which will surely take away some river floor, but also take away some property, sandbags bedamned). 120 puts it at about 19. 90 was about 15-17...I'd guess it's normally around 30-60 around here, but who keeps track when it's not a threat and when it's not noticeable?. 180 cfs will do damage. Over an extended period, (I would guess) it will exceed the levee already put in place, which would make me wonder why they had the Nat Guard put a levee up in the first place. Overall, 180 cfs would f*** a lot of s*** up. That's why it's rumor, instead of fact (hopefully). It's eery driving over the river right now. Motherf***er is so wide right now. Wish Thoreau was alive. He'd have great s*** to write about it before he was swept away. If it DOES go to 180 for a sustained period of time, the river itself might/will get close to my (parents') house. They/I live 1/3 mile away. When they bought the house in 2003, the last thing on their minds was "but what if the river floods?" f***. Oh, and it's been raining south of here, from 10 miles south of Bismarck to 10 miles south of Pierre, for the better part of the night. That increased waterflow will do nothing good for Pierre, nor any of the cities below it on the Missouri (nor any of those on the Mississippi, though I'm sure this is generally small to them due to the number of tributaries). Thankfully it got them instead of us You know that feeling you get, when you drive over a river and the water seems like it's like a mile below you, and you wonder, "why did they build this bridge so high?" (in Chicago, I don't know; for lost, the Chesapeake may do justice; for Heads and all other Iowans and those in Western Illinois, you may have a much, much better grasp) it's like that river or body of water, that was always so far below, but now, it's about a half a mile closer, and, oh, it's twice as wide. The half a mile closer isn't exactly accurate (that's all perception), but to suggest it is twice as wide, well...we can thank the National Guard and anybody else that put levees in that it only seems twice as wide and isn't actually 3 times as wide. (as of now...it has already flooded the golf course next to it) I say some of that like it's over. F***. It's just begun. We've just done all we can do. It's going to get to 21 feet. All we can do is hope that it doesn't get past 22, because then about 1/6 of Bismarck has water on their living rooms. Pierre is already f***ed, and that rain tonight hurt like hell. Any rain in eastern Montana isn't going to help. Any snow in East-Central Montana is not going to help. All that is going to help is an early July. The absolute worst part is, I can do nothing about this. I was contemplating going to Pierre to help out them out last Sunday, but didn't have Monday off...wasn't going to matter. Even if I do have Monday off this week, it's better off treating it like normal Bismarck until it isn't normal Bismarck again. Hope the garden grows well! (f***)

Vince Gill. f*** man.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:21 PM) let me put a finer point on it: white sox record since '06: 451-430 (.511) white sox record vs central since '06 195-187 (.510) Yes, you're right, I certainly fail. If someone beat me to it, then f*** it, I don't care. The rest of everybody that the White Sox play - the Yankees, Red Sox, Rays, Rangers, Angels, Athletics for a year, Mariners for a year, Jays here and there, and a few NL teams - are clearly superior all around to the schedule that the White Sox play. The White Sox play just fine against Cleveland, Kansas City, and, aside from the past 12-15 meetings for whatever reason, Detroit. The Twins bring down f***ing EVERYTHING. If you take two teams - A and B - and you say team A plays at a .510 clip against the rest of the league, a .530 clip against teams within the division, aside from team B, and a .350 clip against team B, then team B has to do that much less against the rest of the league. There is a reason the White Sox have only won 2 division titles in Ozzie's tenure as opposed to the 4 they should have won and it's all because they can't beat the f***ing Twins because Ozzie Guillen and the entire organization at this point seems to glorify and idealize the Twins, putting them on a pedestal, leaving themselves feel inferior. The key to success in anything you ever do in life is confidence. If you don't have confidence in what you are doing, then you are screwed. The White Sox have confidence playing against 28 teams right now, but one of them is not the Twins. It's a travesty that I thought was going to end with Thome's swing in game 163, but it's only gotten worse since that point in time. They obviously aren't a far superior (or even superior, based on their records versus other teams) team, but something is wrong. This is Ozzie's biggest downfall and the one that is going to cost him his job. I could go on. I don't want to spend the time. I have a some whiskey waiting for me. f*** does it taste good.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 02:49 PM) I'm not tipping my cap at all. I don't think they're better than us. There are times when you catch a team when it is absurdly hot and every break goes their way. You'd think anyone who watched the June 2010 White Sox might know this. Dating back to last year, the Twins are 17-5 against the White Sox. At some point, it's not about the breaks the other team is getting and the fact that one team quite clearly and evidently owns the other. It's time to make this a rivalry again, and I say that because one side has to win a little bit for it to actually be a rivalry, right?

8 hits, 10 baserunners, and no runs. That's pretty f***ing impressive. This team isn't going to win a thing until it can beat every team in the division with some sort of consistency. You can look at the bright side all you want to, but that's pretty much the fact of the matter. They have some mental roadblock when playing the Twins, and they can't beat them. I don't normally condone it, but I think they need to start a brawl with the Twins and kick the ever loving s*** out of them to prove that they are actually superior and stronger. As of right now, it's all a mentality, and that starts with the manager.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 02:06 AM) Most of Coop's fixes are short term. Yet he is treated like a legend. How are they short term?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 09:24 PM) Didn't know where to put this. Is it a bad thing that I would drink Coco's (Ice T's wife) urine if she asked me to? Why would you drink urine though? That's kinda gross. Now if you had said something like "lick her unwashed feet," then maybe we are on to something because there are a few more people who are into that. Hell, one of them coaches the New York Jets.

QUOTE (Pale Sox @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 12:28 AM) I find it really hard to be excited about Thompson or Mitchell, which sucks because I used to be. I don't trust anybody with K issues in the low minors, regardless of tools. I'm still excited about Trayce Thompson. He's not going to be a Stanton-esque prospect, but there is a lot to like about him, notably his plate discipline and raw power. If you have those, you can survive striking out 150+ times a season...Adam Dunn has made a living off of it. Mitchell leaves me much less excited. He seems to have a decent eye at the plate, but I don't know how good his bat control is, I don't think his power is going to be anything substantial, and his speed may ultimately end up worse than originally projected due to the Achilles injury.

There is no way anybody is claiming Kazmir. If he hasn't been the worst starter in the majors over the past year and a half, he's been pretty damn close. Someone will take a flyer on him hoping to catch lightning in a bottle and have him magically regain lost velocity, but that's not a multi-million dollar gamble. Erik Bedard signed for $1.5 mill last year and $1 mill this year and he's shown that he is actually effective when he is healthy. Kazmir is clearly not. I see him ending up in Chicago, but not wearing black.

There's a good chance he's good and all, but that's like 4 years away at the minimum, and probably closer to 6-7 years away. I'm not worried about that at the moment.

I think it's about time that the NL goes to the DH. Quarterbacks stopped being placekickers and punters several years ago, so I think it's OK if pitchers stop hitting any day now. That would get both the AL and the NL on the same rulebook. Seriously, it's absurd that the AL and NL play two separate and entirely different games.

QUOTE (Real @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 10:05 PM) You all are saying these things about Pierre, "Not what he used to be", "Not very good at his job" What about Rios? In terms of WAR, they're both damn near identical. Is Rios washed up? Just putting it into perspective, just because a guy is having a horrible year doesn't mean he's done. Alex Rios has hit for power before. He has proven capable defensively. He has proven to be a great all around player in the past, regardless of his work ethic. He also has about $36 million left on his contact. Juan Pierre has never hit for power. He has had several defensive lapses this year. He hasn't been a great player since about 2003 or 2004, regardless of his work ethic. He has about $5 million left on his $7 mill deal this year. Oh, and there's a player waiting in the wings who could end up being worth 2-3 wins from this point forward waiting in the wings. (you could argue that Lillibridge is waiting in the wings too, but I'm not...he's been nothing short of incredible, amazing, WTF this year, but I'm not going to count on him. I'm not going to count on Rios for that matter either. I do know that Rios has the ability to increase his ability by a tremendous amount, which is something that Pierre is not capable of doing) Pierre has been done as an everyday player for about 5 years now. The Dodgers realized that and traded for Manny Ramirez. The White Sox need to realize that too and call up Viciedo. As Sqwert said, I have nothing but admiration for Pierre as a person, but he is simply not a good baseball player anymore. I'm sure people here would call me a class act too if the White Sox gave me $7 million, because I would be the first one at the ballpark and the last one to leave (of course, being head janitor has its downsides, but tomorrow's always another day).

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 01:30 AM) Basically I'm saying u guys are preaching to the choir (cliche). The White Sox aren't going to simply release a moderately productive player. Jeff Gray was moderately productive. They had no problem releasing him. QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Jun 14, 2011 -> 02:31 AM) meh, I take greg more seriously at this point than J4L. That is very, very bad.

The Sox can probably get Lillibridge's bat in the lineup 3-5 times a week just by subbing him in during matchup situations. On days he is not in the lineup, have Vizquel play 3B and leadoff. On days neither Lillibridge nor Vizquel are in the lineup, go with Alexei or Rios or, f***, Dunn or Quentin. After the first inning, the actual batting order becomes generally irrelevant. So long as you have a good hitter hitting 1st, you're fine. I also flat out DFA Pierre. There's no way in hell I'm going to give Ozzie a chance to start him over Pierre, and really it's a matter of respect to a veteran player. You simply say "We don't want to disrespect you by benching you, but we feel that our team is better heading in a different direction. We are going to designate you for assignment and if anyone claims you, we assume they are going to start you. Otherwise, we will release you afterwards so you can find the situation that works the best for you. Thank you for your year and a half, your hard work has been appreciated." And then you never have to worry about Juan Pierre again.

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Um, I BELIEVE the part of that Law quote that you are forgetting is the part where Keith Law states specifically that Addison Reed has no chance to do anything in the majors because he plays for the Chicago White Sox.

I'm guilty as hell of saying Lillibridge and Humber blow. I don't think either of them are this good, but they look like legitimate and good major league players, something I didn't believe coming into the year.

Would Rick Adelman be a legitimate candidate for this job? He's handled superstars before, he's had quite a bit of success in the past, he's been close but has never had the talent necessary to win it all. Just a thought that might make more logical sense than Jackson.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 12, 2011 -> 02:33 PM) I agree with you. In that case though I'm trying to engage J4L solely on his standard, which is focused entirely on farm system production. That Cardinals system has, over the past 4 seasons, pretty much produced Colby Rasmus. Over the last decade, they've produced Rasmus, Wainright, Molina, and that's about it. When you go back to the year 2000 though...suddenly you hit that one thing from the 15th round. The Cardinals system has been weak forever, but as you note, they still win. Adam Wainwright has thrown exactly one game in his entire Cardinals career for their AA organization. Every other game has been at AAA or the MLB level. I would honestly say that the Cardinals developed him as much as they did Chris Carpenter, which is to say they changed the way he pitched but didn't physically develop him as a pitcher.