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Love me some Melky right now. I can proudly say I never gave up on him in the slightest.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 04:18 PM) I was just wondering about that, as there is Storen... On one hand, that's classy of him (0% surprising), considering he's been less than subtle about wanting away from Philadelphia- on the other, he's just protecting his value. I don't think his vesting option specifies games finished as a closer, but I'm not one to delve into the fine print on someone's contract. It does specify "games finished" which would be tough to attain if you're not a closer.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 02:52 PM) If they're not going to move him, f*** it, keep scoring. There you go! Signs of coming around!

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 02:42 PM) It pains me but I'm going to through this out there: blockbuster deal with us keeping Shark and re-signing him in Free Agency. LAD get Quintana, Anderson, Montas CWS get Puig, Seager, Urias Now thats the type of deal I'd be fine trading Q in. Plus, I like the idea of flipping Anderson in a bigger deal. Sox need a strong defensive infield, and while Anderson is still young and raw, I doubt that defense is ever going to a strength of his game.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 02:33 PM) They made it to game 7 of the World Series as a direct result of the trade. Dayton should have zero regrets for it. (Despite how silly it looked at the time) I agree. They'd be set up for the long term much better, however.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 02:24 PM) They don't want Zobrist for next year, they need him for these 2 1/2 months. Simple. Back to the drawing board? If you're living under a rock, they've added guys like Madson, Hochevar (back from injury) and Medlen to take some of the pressure off that bullpen. They're unlikely to sign Cueto or Price, but then I never thought Glass would okay spending $55 million on Gil Meche a decade ago or bringing in Jose Guillen, either. You can guarantee they will bring in SOMEONE for their starting rotation before next season. The irony is that we're talking about all these moves not paying off and "blowing up" if they don't win the World Series. This is the Royals, remember? Two or three seasons ago they were a laughingstock..."we keep hearing about all these young prospects, blah blah...they screwed up the franchise by trading Wil Myers, etc." I'm sure if I went back to the thread on the day Myers/Odorizzi/Montgomery were traded for Davis and Shields, it will be filled with those critical of the move and saying the Royals were nuts. And Odorizzi and Montgomery (with Seattle) was a big price to pay, but Myers has never come close to being the cornerstone player he was projected to be. Shields helped the Royals turn the corner and Davis is a nearly unhittable bullpen piece, but I bet Dayton still regrets that trade a bit. A top rotation pitcher and a middle/back end type, plus a legit corner OF all at the league minimum. They probably wouldn't have had to made the trades they've made this past 3 days if it wasn't for that trade.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 02:18 PM) I'm not familiar with the Royals' system. They just gave up 5 arms for Cueto and Zobrist. What kind of pitching do they have left on the farm? Finnegan and Manaea were the Royals top 2 pitching prospects.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 02:14 PM) They were supposed willing to give up a package including Norris, Hoffman and Pompey for Carlos Carrasco but it fell apart. That's no longer possible, but it would be something like Stroman, Pentecost and Pompey for Q. Add Norris to that I am still not sure the Sox would do it.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 02:14 PM) They were supposed willing to give up a package including Norris, Hoffman and Pompey for Carlos Carrasco but it fell apart. That's no longer possible, but it would be something like Stroman, Pentecost and Pompey for Q. Add Norris to that I am still not sure the Sox would do it.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 01:59 PM) Donaldson has been about a 6.5-7.0 WAR player now for 3 seasons, and he makes little now. While I think Q is under appreciated he isn't as valuable as Donaldson. I wasn't referring to Donaldson. I was referring to the trade suggestions of getting a few of Toronto's decent prospects in exchange for Q. That is extremely undervaluing him.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 01:18 PM) Hey look http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/07/...l?event=event25 Hahaha, too funny. Also dated tomorrow. Give it up Boston....Sale won't be changing Sox.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 01:36 PM) Don't undervalue Quintana. His value is closer to Sale's than you'd think. They don't have enough, unless they'd be willing to include MLB players. This. Lots of people undervaluing Quintana around these parts.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 01:32 PM) Nice move to replace Chris Getz...that is their 2B right? For realz???

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:58 PM) I think Norris & either Pompey or Pentecost and a smaller prospect for Quintana would be a very good return. Still not keen on the idea of moving a top 20 pitcher, though. Gahhhh. No.

QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:55 PM) How about this? Sox lose: Avi Quintana Micah Padres lose: Justin Upton Tyson Ross Blue Jays lose: Devon Travis Daniel Norris Aaron Sanchez Max Pentecost ______________ Sox gain: Pentecost (C of the future) Sanchez (fills in Quintana's slot and joins our plethora of young pitching talent) Upton (takes over in right) Padres gain: Norris (could slot in to Ross' slot and bring back some of the youth Preller pissed away) Travis (replacing pitiful Jed Gyorko) Avi (fresh start candidate and immediate fill-in for Upton) Jays gain: Quintana and Ross (massively improving their rotation) Micah (adequately replacing Travis in an already powerful offense) Quintana could be switched out for Shark, especially considering Upton is also a rental. And I suppose Norris and Sanchez could be interchangeable, though I prefer Sanchez. Thoughts? Sox giving up an awful lot. Quintana cannot and will not be traded for a rental.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:35 PM) Because acquiring expensive veterans like CarGo, Ethier, Reyes or Tulo that further hamstring the organization from a financial standpoint works as a better model? Sometimes you have to roll the dice with young talent. The bust rate is high, look at Beckham, Viciedo and now it's likely Avi is heading in that direction as well. With Puig, you have a track record of results in 2013 and 2014, and he's only 24 years old. Frankly, I'm not sure that Robin Ventura is the right guy to control him, but I do have some confidence with Abreu and Ramirez around (and even moreso if we brought in Guerrero as well). I haven't piped for Ethier, Reyes or Tulo. But in CarGos case, he won't require you to give up one of the best trading assets in the game to acquire (or the other aforementioned players for that matter).

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:30 PM) Im so frightened to move Q...if you bungle the Shark deal, fine...not the end of the world...if you bungle a Q deal...you've just traded away one of your most valuable assets in the midst of a race you have a reasonable chance of winning. Yes. We need bats for days to trade Quintana. Jays higher end prospects are SP (and one was just traded). They don't match up.

QUOTE (GREEDY @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:00 PM) If you call a 5% chance of making a one game playoff "in this thing". It's more like 9% now, and I have very little confidence that Minnesota will finish above .500. TB and Detroit (without Miggy) both suck. That leaves us 1.5 GB of the Jays (who have no pitching) and the Orioles who are equally as flawed as the Sox. They have as good of a shot as anyone outside of MN, who is probably the worst team of the bunch. However, If the Sox lose 3 in a row here (or maybe even 2/3), I would agree with you, they should trade Shark if the offer is right (which in my mind is a near ML ready impact bat at a premium position). But if those offers were on the table, he would have been traded weeks ago.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:18 PM) Why not? Puig is cancer, has s***ty numbers this year, and I think there is more value in Quintana's contract. Quintana is signed for two additional years (afforadable team options) when Puig will already be gone via FA. And Puig is more expensive than Quintana for the next 3.5 years. I don't hate the idea, but I want more than Puig back for Q, not a 1-1, and I think a package of prospects would be better than trading for a guy that widely known as a complete clown.

They don't have anywhere near the horses to get Quintana (sans trading Donaldson).

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:15 PM) In the off season you can trade for needs. But right now, you take the best offer you get no matter what position. Unless it was a Q for Puig type deal that actually makes sense. I don't think a Q for Puig type of deal makes sense (assuming there aren't other pieces).

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:40 AM) If Toronto offers Norris in a package, you cannot say no in my opinion. Probably not, but not exactly what the Sox need...another LHP. Not saying I hate the offer (altho Shark gives us a much better chance of actually getting into the playoffs than Norris or EJ), I just think the Sox need bats if they're gonna trade Shark.

QUOTE (GREEDY @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 11:20 AM) LoL Because the Sox swept the last place Indians & took the first game in a series against the last place Red Sox? Like it or not, the Sox are in this thing.

Shark is making this start. Is EJ still shown as probable tonight for Charlotte?

What a strange trade.