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QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 05:32 PM) The only sports team that could possibly surpass the Browns as a laughingstock in sports is the Jacksonville Jaguars. I don't recall them having public front office issues. They have had some bad luck with injuries to draft picks that hurt them. Outside of Blackmon I don't think there is much there. Jacksonville might be the smallest market in the NFL too.

This team is the biggest laughingstock in ALL of sports right now. We have now surpassed the Cleveland Browns.

Epic choke by Philly last night pretty much erased any chances of stealing the 10th spot in the draft. Would've been nice to eliminate an excuse that will be used this offseason to not sign top tier FA's.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 21, 2016 -> 06:34 PM) please just limit his pitches. Insane they have him throwing so many pitches in pointless games. Is his velocity down? Getting hit around early. I also have repeatedly said in these game threads he's getting way overused in these pointless games. The time to let him go 115+ pitches was in April/May/June when there was still a chance.

No guessing games on who is responsible, just clean house. It's not like we are losing anyone that has value outside of this organization. Some friendships may be lost but I see zero difference makers when it comes to talent evaluation.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 20, 2016 -> 02:19 PM) The thing I have noticed is the White Sox rarely give up in games. They are short now in talent. Sanchez, Navarez, Coats, Garcia, all were getting time vs. KC. When your line up is the Charlotte Knights, you usually lose AAA games. Last week people were complaining Robin was trying too hard to win in an effort to save his job. That was laughable, and thinking they lost this weekend because KC wanted it more is laughable as well. The bullpen is short, the line up is short right now. They do have to clean up the mess they have made the last few years within the division. Outside of it, they are about as good as any other Central opponent. Cleaning up vs. the division is what won for them in 2005. I don't know exactly what it will take other than some new players, maybe some new scouts. We will see starting in a couple of weeks. The priority when you are eliminated in September is to evaluate your high minors talent at the major league level, not win games. It doesn't matter how little talent they may have.

QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 18, 2016 -> 10:58 PM) Worth mentioning the "kid" is older than Lawrie Lawrie is playing for a new contract also and I'm sure he's hoping to cash in big with another team. I think he puts up his best season to date next year.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 17, 2016 -> 06:02 AM) You're right. They should wrap him in bubble wrap and treat him like a p**** instead. Believe it or not, these September games DON'T matter this year. Why wasn't Robin pitching Sale 119 pitches every game earlier this year when we were still in the wild card hunt? He only does it once we're out of contention and his job is on the line. QUOTE (oldsox @ Sep 17, 2016 -> 06:22 AM) Disagree. 110 pitches is a lot for some pitchers, not so much for others. Sale is in the second category. He still had his stuff in the 9th, maybe control off a bit, but he was still competing; he clearly wanted to stay in and finish the game, so let him and not risk a bullpen guy giving it up. See above. And it doesn't matter if a bullpen guy gives it up. THE SEASON IS OVER. Winning meaningless games gives the ownership the perfect excuse to not sign impact players who have comp picks attached once again now that our pick isn't protected.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 17, 2016 -> 01:28 AM) Who are they not developing that they should? All of our bullpen guys so if someone goes down next year we know the order with which AAA relievers should be recalled. No reason to pitch our starters 110+ pitches in September with the season lost.

I thought it was weird right after the trade that the Padres tweeted out "no tradebacks", like they knew he was damaged goods.

The Sox would be a playoff caliber team for sure if they could play 162 meaningless exhibition games.

QUOTE (captain54 @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 11:19 AM) Point well taken, and duly noted. Just to clarify. You have an admin of a Sox fan board that takes every opportunity to rip and belittle Sox fans. Doesn't that strike you as odd? it's tiresome and annoying. Shouldn't putting out fires effectively begin with squelching the source? As I noted in the warning thread previously stickied, baiting is allowed but personal attacks are not. So you have certain admins baiting people left and right they don't agree with to try to get them banned.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Sep 13, 2016 -> 12:35 AM) There is absolutely no reason to move Saladino. A good team needs depth. Dino is the perfect depth player who can hit a little, play solid D, and can move around the field. He's an asset, and a cheap one. He's a no brainer to keep on this team, whether he's a super-utility guy or a 2B starter, you keep him. This x2 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2016 -> 12:31 AM) Get rid of Lawrie. Case closed. I guess everybody devalues Saladino cause of where he was chosen in the draft. Sorry, stat nerds (I say that lovingly) and draftniks ... the eye test is all that matters on Saladino. Sox are too dumb to play him, however. Sox scouts and front office and coaching staff is a fricking joke. If Lawrie is traded and an infielder goes down for any length of time Leury Garcia will become an every day player. All of a sudden infield depth will become as big a weakness as outfield depth was for us this season. I think Tilson and Narvaez are capable backups though but we need Saladino to be able to cover the rest of the positions.

I'd rather take a chance on Puig than Carlos Gomez. The other option besides Puig/Gomez is to re-sign Morneau for DH, play Melky in LF and Cespedes in CF. Leury Garcia - as long as he only sees pinch running duty. Some LHP could've been Duke lol - not sure why we traded him. To fill the last bullpen spot we need a long man who can spot start or fill in as a #5. Fulmer in the rotation is iffy. We don't need him to be great though. If Gonzalez regresses we will have the same problems in the back end but hopefully the lineup is improved enough that we make the playoffs.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Sep 11, 2016 -> 05:00 PM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/09/cafa...medium=facebook While the White Sox will listen to teams’ proposals for left-handed ace Chris Sale after the season, a deal seems unlikely. “The odds of getting what we feel we need to get are slim. That’s why I think Chris will be with us in 2017,” a White Sox source told Cafardo. That jibes with an earlier report from FanRag Sports’ Jon Heyman, who relayed that White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf doesn’t want to move Sale So if sale ends up staying will feel bad for him keep pitching in games like today cause someone wont pony up for better offensive players Spend big Jerry, spend. You can't take it with you..............

Sale obviously has the most value to a small market team looking to make a splash. But it doesn't look like there are any out there that are on the verge of contention where a Sale trade could lock them into the playoff conversation. I think it's going to come down to the Yankees or Red Sox if he is moved this offseason.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 11:35 PM) Our lineup is far from good for next year. But please stop. Lawrie must go. Saladino must stay. Trade Lawrie along with several other guys like Avi, Melky. Like I said in the game thread. We will have no depth next season if Lawrie is traded. Saladino is not going anywhere starting or not. Melky has been our most consistent hitter all year and was our best run producer when the games actually mattered. How is that production getting replaced? I thought the consensus was the management is going for it next season. Since you want to trade Melky I take it you are sending out Sale or Q as well. In that case I have no problem starting Saladino.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 11:33 PM) OMG. Lawrie is a joke. Get rid of him and give the job to Saladino. Can't you people see he can hit???? Well I have no problem starting Saladino. You know Lawrie will start sulking if he's benched and become a cancer. That just creates yet another hole we can't fill internally (utility player) with anyone other than garbage like Leury Garcia and Shuck. Which is why I originally said Saladino is best used as a super sub who plays most days because it keeps your depth and allows both guys to get consistent AB's. That way if someone gets hurt he can take over their spot in an every day role and we don't get a massive drop off in production.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 09:23 PM) I blame this loss on Ventura only because it's convenient. He can't manage this team past a 3 game winning streak. We're going to end up in between tanking to get a top 10 pick and finishing the year on a high note with a great month. Which is pretty much the worst case scenario. Does nothing to help this team going into next year.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 08:54 PM) It would be a kneejerk reaction. If someone got injured in the IF, I would trust Saladino playing all of the positions. It also makes it possible for Abreau to DH more. Saladino could be more valuable as a utility guy. Anyone gets hurt on this team it get filled with JB Shucks. I don't recommend trading either. But Saladino would be so much more valuable if he could play OF as well to rotate positions to give guys days off and play matchups. Would be great injury insurance as well like you said.

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 07:45 PM) What you said is correct but I never said 2B was an issue,just said I think we found our 2B for the near future. Lawrie isn't going to net much or help us either being out 1/3 of the season like he is every year. Over an entire season I don't see him as being an upgrade over Lawrie yet. But he is a nice player to have. It's really too bad he can't play the outfield to be used as a super sub kind of like Jurickson Profar.

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 07:34 PM) I'm all in on Saladino at 2B next season. He's just a smart,sound MLB player and the Sox shouldn't waste him letting him rot on the bench as utility next year. 2B was never the issue. Saladino and Lawrie are pretty much interchangeable. Neither will get us major league ready talent to fill other holes if traded unless packaged with someone like Fulmer +

QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 07:28 PM) Hill pulled with under 90 pitches. LAME. Lol wtf? That's some real candy ass managing to do that. Edit: And the reliever blew the perfect game with 2 out in the 8th hahaha

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 06:17 PM) The fact is, other than your core players of Eaton, Abreu, Anderson.. the entire lineup pretty much needs to be addressed… Not necessarily. Saladino has made great improvement between what he hit in 2015 and what he has hit this season. I want hm back as our starting second basemen. That leaves Lawrie or Frazier at third with the other one being a trade chip. Not a bad position to be in. Omar Narvaez, just 24 years old, is hitting close to .300 and is playing decent defense. Pencil him in as the starting catcher next season. So the Sox line-up needs a couple of guys, but that doesn't justify a tear down. Get a CF and LF and a DH. That should not be that difficult considering the Sox already have some internal options and possible free agents to choose from. Saladino is not an upgrade on Lawrie. More of a lateral move. And you're probably not getting major league ready talent back for Lawrie or Frazier so how exactly does that help us next year? Starting an unproven question mark at catcher is also a bad idea for a team that intends on contending. If this team actually plans on contending I don't want another year of relying on maybes and probably nots.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 06:02 PM) He was bunting for a hit. That wasn't called from the bench Why does one of our biggest run producers not know to NOT bunt in a RISP situation? Even though his RISP numbers suck this year that's no excuse.