fathom Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 I've followed Grandal for a lot of his career, including his draft eligible season as Sox were rumored to be in on him. He drives me absolutely crazy. Very frustrating to watch bat, as he goes into insanely bad slumps. He's also a liability vs LHP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, fathom said: I've followed Grandal for a lot of his career, including his draft eligible season as Sox were rumored to be in on him. He drives me absolutely crazy. Very frustrating to watch bat, as he goes into insanely bad slumps. He's also a liability vs LHP. And despite all that, he's still probably a top 3 all around catcher in baseball. I also wouldn't call him a "liability" vs LHP (just based on numbers); he's certainly worse but not to the point where he would need to be platooned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 There goes a good chunk of what passed for the Sox offense. Omay Avay and Mattay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Just out of curiosity, and I've noticed this not only here but just abroad on other sites and media outlets, why is nobody mentioning Wilson Ramos as a big "get" catcher? Is he that bad defensively? Always been real consistent with the stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Yesterday Zack Collins said he aims to make the big squad out of AZ. More like his ambitions at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannzee Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 I would have preferred Pazos from the Mariners over Colome, honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, vannzee said: I would have preferred Pazos from the Mariners over Colome, honestly. They probably weren't offering a guy that's still a season or two away from arbitration. This deal for Seattle had a lot more to do with money than talent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Balta1701 said: So after the world series does Grandal count as a strong or weak defensive catcher? No idea. I haven't checked his defensive stats but he sure looked bad in the playoffs. Besides I don't think Grandal makes as much sense as everyone thinks. Castillo is the main catcher for 2019 and has a team option for 2020 ? We're probably looking at one of the older defensive type catcher as a backup . Look what Eric Kratz did for the Brewers in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 24 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: No idea. I haven't checked his defensive stats but he sure looked bad in the playoffs. Besides I don't think Grandal makes as much sense as everyone thinks. Castillo is the main catcher for 2019 and has a team option for 2020 ? We're probably looking at one of the older defensive type catcher as a backup . Look what Eric Kratz did for the Brewers in the playoffs. Supposedly the advanced stats really liked his defense, but that of course was before the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 A Sox pen with Colome, Fry, Bummer, Hamilton, Vieira, the eventual arrival of Burdi and one of Allen/Ottavino/Herrera/Britton would be pretty sick. They have a young staff, so they should be looking to shorten the games for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 1, 2018 Author Share Posted December 1, 2018 Just now, Joshua Strong said: A Sox pen with Colome, Fry, Bummer, Hamilton, Vieira, the eventual arrival of Burdi and one of Allen/Ottavino/Herrera/Britton would be pretty sick. They have a young staff, so they should be looking to shorten the games for them. What about Nate Jones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 I hope Colome is nasty fast. We need a flamethrower for the ninth. If he is a valuable bullpen piece, Hahn will be considered a genius following this trade. We gave up a catcher who cannot catch effectively for hopefully an automatic save machine. Fastballs and cutters, compared to Mariano Rivera is what I read. Hahn may win over a lot of fans with this trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 17 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said: A Sox pen with Colome, Fry, Bummer, Hamilton, Vieira, the eventual arrival of Burdi and one of Allen/Ottavino/Herrera/Britton would be pretty sick. They have a young staff, so they should be looking to shorten the games for them. Familia would seem to be the heavy favorite. Ottavino seems destined for NYY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 1, 2018 Author Share Posted December 1, 2018 7th inning: Jones 8th inning: Familia/Allen/Ottavino/Herrera 9th inning: Colomé That would be legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Whitesox27 said: What about Nate Jones? I’m not expecting anything from him due to his health issues, whatever he gives the Sox is a bonus in my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Shots fired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 33 minutes ago, Tony said: In May when Colome blows a save, we’re going to get the post “I thought this guy was supposed to be as good as Mariano Rivera, that’s what I was told by many fans and media, this guy isn’t very good.” Can’t wait... Remember how all of KC & the media was laughing and thrilled to be rid of Soria last year because he was worthless and washed up? Good times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 59 minutes ago, fathom said: Familia would seem to be the heavy favorite. Ottavino seems destined for NYY I forgot about him, he had a K/9 of 10.4. Ottavino: 13.0 Allen: 10.7 Britton: 7.5 (GB% of 73%) Herrera: 7.7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Eh, the individual moves of letting Smith go for free, and trading away Narvaez are small matters. But taken together, if losing BOTH backup options leads to speeding up Zavala's/Collins' timeframes, I kinda hate it. I'd prefer for these two to be given as much time as is necessary for them to learn all they need to learn in Charlotte. Here's hoping Hahn has someone in mind as the 2nd Catcher to give Zavala/Collins enough time to get ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 6 hours ago, greg775 said: Let the record state Greg doesn't mind this trade. Never fell in love with Narvaez though he did all right. We need bullpen arms who can actually getr people out and not implode and this guy seems like he has a chance to be good. Greg's rating of trade on 1-10 scale: 8. I'll give it a B on a grade scale, more of a lower end B. He already is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Eh, the individual moves of letting Smith go for free, and trading away Narvaez are small matters. But taken together, if losing BOTH backup options leads to speeding up Zavala's/Collins' timeframes, I kinda hate it. I'd prefer for these two to be given as much time as is necessary for them to learn all they need to learn in Charlotte. Here's hoping Hahn has someone in mind as the 2nd Catcher to give Zavala/Collins enough time to get ready. He already said that they’re going outside the organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 I see how this could be a fabulous move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 8 hours ago, fathom said: I've followed Grandal for a lot of his career, including his draft eligible season as Sox were rumored to be in on him. He drives me absolutely crazy. Very frustrating to watch bat, as he goes into insanely bad slumps. He's also a liability vs LHP. I think grandal is a bit of a mistake hitter. He has great plate discipline and waits for a fat pitch to crush but against tough pitchers who can locate with velo he is in trouble. Still is a good defender, not the best blocker but great at framing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickinIndiana Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 I like this. Catching is a defense first position and Narvaez was never going to be the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Narvaez has quietly been one of the better-hitting catchers the last few years, putting up a career .274 batting average and .366 on-base percentage and showing increasing power each year. Overall, his .809 OPS last season ranked fifth among all big league catchers with at least 300 plate appearances. Narvaez is strictly an offensive catcher. He ranked last out of 117 catchers in pitch framing last year, according to Baseball Prospectus, and he had the third-most errors (seven), fourth-most passed balls (12) and second-most stolen bases allowed (66) of any AL catcher. He is under team control through 2022, giving the Mariners four seasons before he hits free agency. https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/white-sox-acquire-alex-colome-from-mariners-for-omar-narvaez/ Forgot that both were Rays’ prospects in 2014-15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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