12 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Why do you still think Kimbrel being here is unlikely? 

I’d wager so much money that Kimbrel gets traded. I don’t even think it’s a question. 

11 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

This board is becoming a tough read. 

Patience is not a board strength.

Just now, poppysox said:

Patience is not a board strength.

Just like most anonymous boards and student evaluations, only the cranky ones complete it.

Did Hahn come out and say they are done making moves? Too lazy to go back and look. Just wondering what all the negative reaction is from

2 minutes ago, HahnsKiddieTable said:

Did Hahn come out and say they are done making moves? Too lazy to go back and look. Just wondering what all the negative reaction is from

Not exactly. But he did piss in the cereal a little. 

2 minutes ago, HahnsKiddieTable said:

Did Hahn come out and say they are done making moves? Too lazy to go back and look. Just wondering what all the negative reaction is from

Nope, I think the angst is due to more teams being rumored about possible bats the Sox could theoretically want (yet haven’t been linked once to)

Lol I don't understand the meta-commentary on board mood. What is the point of discussion if you're discouraged for expressing your actual opinion?

I will come with the positive angle...at least we havent been linked to a whale, only to find out it was a bunch of BS. I would rather go home with no foreplay, then go home with a large blue sac.

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1 minute ago, EloyJenkins said:

I will come with the positive angle...at least we havent been linked to a whale, only to find out it was a bunch of BS. I would rather go home with no foreplay, then go home with a large blue sac.

I will take the opposite viewpoint and say I’d rather at least know they tried to make a big move than foolishly think the current corner outfield situation is acceptable

21 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Kimbrel won’t be here 

Jimmy give us something to nibble on. The angst and agitation is growing. 

What's going on re Conforto, Schwarber and SP? 

17 minutes ago, fathom said:

Nope, I think the angst is due to more teams being rumored about possible bats the Sox could theoretically want (yet haven’t been linked once to)

Well actually Nightengale did say that Castellanos could fall in our lap but he just didn’t tweet it but right after that article came out linking us to the top outfielders. Also, I may be wrong about this but didn’t Heyman mentioned once before the lockout that Conforto was a good fit for us?

 

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15 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:

I’d wager so much money that Kimbrel gets traded. I don’t even think it’s a question. 

I think there's a question about whether or not they can even give him away at full salary. 

Just now, Jack Parkman said:

I think there's a question about whether or not they can even give him away at full salary. 

They can’t. He’s not worth $16 million. They have to admit a mistake to move him.

Just now, Balta1701 said:

They can’t. He’s not worth $16 million. They have to admit a mistake to move him.

You and I are the vocal minority on that front. 

Just now, Balta1701 said:

They can’t. He’s not worth $16 million. They have to admit a mistake to move him.

You don't put any stock into Fegan and others reporting the Sox surveyed his market before picking up the option? Or the fact Hahn is openly talking about dealing him when normally the Sox play everything so close to the vest?

I think your argument for whether or not Kimbrel has surplus value makes sense, but the Sox are the same organization who didn't want to risk ending up with Rodon on a 1 year deal. And devoted significant resources to Graveman & Joe Kelly. Why would they do that if they weren't confident they could get off the Kimbrel money? It just doesn't make any rational sense to me.

If anyone is looking for a glass half full point of view, the fact that the Sox haven’t publicly been linked to anyone recently might actually be good news as most of the Sox significant additions come out of nowhere. When the Sox are heavily rumored to be interested in a player, they typically don’t end up getting that guy.

3 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said:

You don't put any stock into Fegan and others reporting the Sox surveyed his market before picking up the option? Or the fact Hahn is openly talking about dealing him when normally the Sox play everything so close to the vest?

I think your argument for whether or not Kimbrel has surplus value makes sense, but the Sox are the same organization who didn't want to risk ending up with Rodon on a 1 year deal. And devoted significant resources to Graveman & Joe Kelly. Why would they do that if they weren't confident they could get off the Kimbrel money? It just doesn't make any rational sense to me.

For me it's a timing issue. Kimbrel feels like a late off-season (right before the season starts) move because he'll be waiting for other relievers to sign like Jansen.

By then, the good RF'ers could very well be off the market. Maybe the Sox decide Kimbrel is being moved no matter what and they spend before the trade, but that doesn't strike me as a very White Sox thing to do.

So if they miscalculated anything, it's the timing the move would happen which could hamper them making any other signficant moves. It wouldn't be the first time they misread a market and cost themselves either. Also, I just don't think keeping him makes much sense if they trade him for a non-asset, or trade him for another overpaid asset that fills a hole.

I just think the idea that they're going to be able to trade Kimbrel for some package that improves the club this year, opens up dollars to be spent, and allows them to spend them before the guys that would help them sign is a heck of a difficult scenario to achieve. 

19 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said:

Lol I don't understand the meta-commentary on board mood. What is the point of discussion if you're discouraged for expressing your actual opinion?

FA and game thread are a vent zone. People need to calm down on policing the thought. And why would the board be exited about anything the Sox have done the last 7 months acquisition wise? It's been one poorly thought out move after another.  And I'm a guy that was probably as down on Nick as anybody! But that trade set a lot of other shit into motion that is biting them now.

2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

For me it's a timing issue. Kimbrel feels like a late off-season (right before the season starts) move because he'll be waiting for other relievers to sign like Jansen.

By then, the good RF'ers could very well be off the market. Maybe the Sox decide Kimbrel is being moved no matter what and they spend before the trade, but that doesn't strike me as a very White Sox thing to do.

So if they miscalculated anything, it's the timing the move would happen which could hamper them making any other signficant moves. It wouldn't be the first time they misread a market and cost themselves either. Also, I just don't think keeping him makes much sense if they trade him for a non-asset, or trade him for another overpaid asset that fills a hole.

I just think the idea that they're going to be able to trade Kimbrel for some package that improves the club this year, opens up dollars to be spent, and allows them to spend them before the guys that would help them sign is a heck of a difficult scenario to achieve. 

Dovetails nicely with what I just said. Look at this point you might just want to consider eating the entire fucking contract to get rid of him in a deal or just keeping him until the deadline and seeing what the landscape looks like. The Sox are in a bad spot leverage wise, and to be fair, the CBA shit kinda fucked them too.

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13 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

I think there's a question about whether or not they can even give him away at full salary. 

Doesn’t matter. Worst case, they move him and have to eat a little salary. But he won’t pitch for the Sox this year. 

Just now, SoxBlanco said:

Doesn’t matter. Worst case, they move him and have to eat a little salary. But he won’t pitch for the Sox this year. 

I think they probably have to eat 10M just to get another team interested. 

1 minute ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Dovetails nicely with what I just said. Look at this point you might just want to consider eating the entire fucking contract to get rid of him in a deal or just keeping him until the deadline and seeing what the landscape looks like. The Sox are in a bad spot leverage wise, and to be fair, the CBA shit kinda fucked them too.

Exactly, the Sox gave up their leverage by picking up an option and basically broadcasting to the world they picked it up to move it. Everyone in the world knows Jerry isn't going into the tax, and everyone knows the Sox can't make a signficant move without getting out from under Kimbrel's contract. Wait out the trade if you're another team and the Sox run out of time to use that transaction as a starting point to make other moves.

1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said:

I think they probably have to eat 10M just to get another team interested. 

Every team in baseball takes him for 6 million dollars

3 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

I think they probably have to eat 10M just to get another team interested. 

Duuuuude. Cmon. 

3 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

I think they probably have to eat 10M just to get another team interested. 

That’s ridiculous. If we are eating $10M, we are getting a great return.