baseball_gal_aly Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) For me, it's the two guys from the Sale deal. Moncada isn't a flat out bust, but he is a disappointment. Kopech being a reliever and injured all of the time is highly disappointing. 9.33 xfip. Edited April 29, 2023 by baseballgalaly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4uckOffCommieScum Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Kopech hasn’t made a relief appearance since 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Jimenez and Robert have to be right up there. Cease is the only one to markedly improve from the time of acquisition. Giolito clearly did... but has now plateued as more of a 3/4 guy in most rotstions... closer to 4 than 3. Dunning has looked much better for the Rangers this year... fwiw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted April 29, 2023 Author Share Posted April 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, FourEyesShottenhoffer said: Kopech hasn’t made a relief appearance since 2021. I know but he isn't long for starting as he has no quality secondary pitches as a starter. Maybe he can get the slider he had in 2021 back out of the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4uckOffCommieScum Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 He isn’t coming out of the rotation when the Sox have nothing worthwhile to replace him with. Just let him take his lumps and hope he works his way out of it. This season is sunk anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4uckOffCommieScum Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Jimenez and Robert have to be right up there. Cease is the only one to markedly improve from the time of acquisition. Giolito clearly did... but has now plateued as more of a 3/4 guy in most rotstions... closer to 4 than 3. Dunning has looked much better for the Rangers this year... fwiw. I don’t know about Gio. Kind of looks like the old Gio to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 I can’t answer this question. It just makes me want everyone gone and start over. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 It’s Eloy. Tore up the minors, looked great as a rookie, then completely lost it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Just now, FourEyesShottenhoffer said: I don’t know about Gio. Kind of looks like the old Gio to me Last year was terrible. He's fine as a back end guy but clearly not close to his 1/2 All-Star days. His velocity 3-4 years ago was 94-97 touching 98 occasionally. Now he's consistently low 90s. He maintains his ten plus MPH differential with FB and change.. but lacking a consistent third pitch with curve/slider has always made the balancing act for a pitcher with now below average FB velocity more challenging, as 2022 demonstrated. Among qualified pitchers, only Berrios was worse last year. Obviously going through 3-4 major mechanical overhauls has not been easy... plus the arbitration disputes and his role as a union rep. He and Katz are undoubtedly on their way out eventually as JR will never in a million years give him an eight figure extension for a rebuilding team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4uckOffCommieScum Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said: Last year was terrible. He's fine as a back end guy but clearly not close to his 1/2 All-Star days. His velocity 3-4 years ago was 94-97 touching 98 occasionally. Now he's consistently low 90s. He maintains his ten plus MPH differential with FB and change.. but lacking a consistent third pitch with curve/slider has always made the balancing act for a pitcher with now below average FB velocity more challenging, as 2022 demonstrated. Among qualified pitchers, only Berrios was worse last year. Obviously going through 3-4 major mechanical overhauls has not been easy... plus the arbitration disputes and his role as a union rep. He and Katz are undoubtedly on their way out eventually as JR will never in a million years give him an eight figure extension for a rebuilding team. Yeah that’s why I said the old Gio. Pretty sure everyone knows he wasn’t very good last year. Currently he is on pace for 4.8 WAR and looked as good as he has in a while last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 I thought for sure Moncada was the next Jose Ramirez and Juan Soto (with the bat) Realistically Eloy is probably the most back breaking offensive bust thus far. He brings nothing else to the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 32 minutes ago, baseballgalaly said: For me, it's the two guys from the Sale deal. Moncada isn't a flat out bust, but he is a disappointment. Kopech being a reliever and injured all of the time is highly disappointing. 9.33 xfip. There was a lot of talk from some Red Sox fans that the guy they hated to lose in that trade was Luis Basabe, they were wrong as he has basically been a career minor leaguer. As far as the OP’s original question, it’s hard to answer because there have been so many Sox flops starting with Bee Bee Richard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted April 29, 2023 Author Share Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said: There was a lot of talk from some Red Sox fans that the guy they hated to lose in that trade was Luis Basabe, they were wrong as he has basically been a career minor leaguer. As far as the OP’s original question, it’s hard to answer because there have been so many Sox flops starting with Bee Bee Richard. Well I meant about the 2016-18 rebuild I'm not sure that there's one player that hasn't disappointed to some degree. A lot of these guys only had one great season, Cease included. (2022 for him) Probably the best guy overall has been Giolito as he had 3 above average seasons. I'm pretty much ready to punt on everyone else. Edited April 29, 2023 by baseballgalaly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Almost all have been a bust. Injuries haven't helped. Biggest bust of all? Probably Moncada. He was supposed to be great. Many of them have potential to be among the biggest busts in modern history considering the hype. Actually Eloy may be ahead of Moncada. He was supposed to be a can't miss monster to forever haunt the Cubs for dealing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Madrigal. "Elite" tools and instincts. Great body plus athlete. Kid had it all. It's hard to figure. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 14 minutes ago, baseballgalaly said: Well I meant about the 2016-18 rebuild I'm not sure that there's one player that hasn't disappointed to some degree. A lot of these guys only had one great season, Cease included. (2022 for him) Probably the best guy overall has been Giolito as he had 3 above average seasons. I'm pretty much ready to punt on everyone else. Sorry, so I guess it has to be Moncada who I’ve never been a fan of and Kopech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) #1 - Moncada and Kopech for the simple reason we gave up arguably one of the top premier pitchers at the time in Sale. Moncada was the # prospect in MLB and suppose to be our future all-star second baseman. Kopech and we know the disappointment there. #2 - Eloy, as someone said, he tore up the minors and had a huge rookie year. $3 - Robert - Again same as Eloy. He tore up the minors and he was going to be the next five-tool superstar. Edited April 29, 2023 by The Kids Can Play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Moncada for me. Kid was a very good base stealer in the minors, the Cuban god of walks, etc. Basically only showed flashes up here and then completely lost it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEANS Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Robert, thought he had all the tools and potential to be an MVP of the league…now he just looks lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 I gotta say Eloy, because compared to everyone else there was nothing rushed or messed up about his trip through the org. No position changes, no skipping levels, no being rushed upwards because someone got traded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Eloy. At least Robert is elite at a premium defensive position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Amazing how most all the team has lowered expectations. Not Jake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Kopech. As bad as the others have been they have had moments. Kopech has given us nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Eloy He seems like a nice person, and may be smart outside of baseball, but he has the lowest baseline baseball IQ I can recall in any player over a half century. He is regularly unavailable, and when he is he cannot play defense and is a threat to himself and others when he has a glove. He was even injured postgame celebrating Lucas Giolito’s No Hitter. Sure he is better than the other DH busts drafted on the current roster, though Burger is gaining on him. If Eloy was coordinated and able to remain healthy playing on the field, he’d make a better 1B than Vaughn based on his size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 2 hours ago, SonofaRoache said: I thought for sure Moncada was the next Jose Ramirez and Juan Soto (with the bat) Realistically Eloy is probably the most back breaking offensive bust thus far. He brings nothing else to the table. Robinson Cano with speed...oops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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