JoeC Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Didn't we historically used to make fun of Bleacher Report's credibility on prospect rankings compared to most of the other rankings out there...for pretty much all the major sports? Does any other halfway reliable service have us anywhere besides #10-18? Kind of what I'm thinking... I'm taking this with a grain of salt, and I'm keeping an eye on more credible / mainstream rankings sources to validate anything that Bleacher Report comes out with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 12 minutes ago, JoeC said: Kind of what I'm thinking... I'm taking this with a grain of salt, and I'm keeping an eye on more credible / mainstream rankings sources to validate anything that Bleacher Report comes out with. Wasn’t a Bleacher Report mock draft used by Terrence Shannon Jr’s lawyers to prove his draft stock was falling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Train to 35th Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 4 hours ago, The Mighty Mite said: Maybe there is some hope. Don't count on it. We need hope that the Sox will actually be able to develop these players and keep them healthy instead of calling them up before they're ready or playing them out of position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) 4 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: Not sure why this gets laughed at…it’s accurate It's accuracy is not a bullseye. I will forever and always point out that the director of player development is JR. He is also the GM, not that he makes draft choices or make trades. He has been known to make suggestions during drafts like any fan would but when you are the COB you just might give his opinion more value if you value his loyalty. He makes the budgets that don't allow those in charge to be the best people for the job nor do they have the number of people they need nor the most modern technology. These things have to be forever in your mind along with ,of course ,that all the same things apply to international spending where JR rules govern what happens even more when you don't use the DR to it's full advantage for 40 years. Edited April 16 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaldo Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 5 hours ago, Quin said: Cause many of us remember when the team was ranked first — built off of external trades and a few high draft picks — but they couldn't develop any supplemental pieces to support that talent and that talent never really put it all together, with players unable to stay healthy or keeping their same strengths and weaknesses that they had in the minor leagues. And now the guy in charge of developing the minor league system back then is in charge of the whole operation. I have long felt that the rebuild seemed a bit half-assed. I liked the system in the 90s, when there was always a Ray Durham, a Carlos Lee, a Magglio Ordonez, a Joe Crede, an Aaron Rowand, or a Mark Buehrle just waiting in the wings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 I don't think the system is that good but there are a lot of useful players, I could see many guys outside the top 10 turning into good major leaguers. The issue is, what has already been discussed ad nauseum, actually developing those players. Especially hitters. I feel fairly confident in this team's ability to develop a pitching staff and the system is weighted toward pitching. But a lot has to go right for the Sox to turn 4 or 5 of those position players into every day players. It would be nice if Colson could stick at SS while Gonzalez and Ramos pan out and can play 2B and 3B respectively. Hopefully the idea is to pump up our pitchers' value and trade them for guys who can hit and balance out the system. The Mena trade was the right idea, just wasted on a pointless player. Kopech seems like the likeliest candidate to bring back a good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Wait a sec...does BR actually have them ahead of the vaunted Cubs' system? Is their new business strategy for engagement to illicit more anger from the teams with the biggest online following/s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hombre Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Hey I’ve seen this movie before! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 now for some very good news. 1st round pick Jacob Gonzalez is killing it at Winston-salem. looks like last years rough start was just a hiccup. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 10 hours ago, nrockway said: I don't think the system is that good but there are a lot of useful players, I could see many guys outside the top 10 turning into good major leaguers. The issue is, what has already been discussed ad nauseum, actually developing those players. Especially hitters. I feel fairly confident in this team's ability to develop a pitching staff and the system is weighted toward pitching. But a lot has to go right for the Sox to turn 4 or 5 of those position players into every day players. It would be nice if Colson could stick at SS while Gonzalez and Ramos pan out and can play 2B and 3B respectively. Hopefully the idea is to pump up our pitchers' value and trade them for guys who can hit and balance out the system. The Mena trade was the right idea, just wasted on a pointless player. Kopech seems like the likeliest candidate to bring back a good player. It does seem high. It does feel like, compared to last rebuild, there’s more in the B/C tier of prospects. The last rebuild was more top heavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 3 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: It does seem high. It does feel like, compared to last rebuild, there’s more in the B/C tier of prospects. The last rebuild was more top heavy. It was top heavy, but it was also 10 guys in the top-100 Times were wild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 15 hours ago, JoeC said: Kind of what I'm thinking... I'm taking this with a grain of salt, and I'm keeping an eye on more credible / mainstream rankings sources to validate anything that Bleacher Report comes out with. I think BR is written by Class D student reporters. Doubtful accuracy or insights. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 13 hours ago, nrockway said: I don't think the system is that good but there are a lot of useful players, I could see many guys outside the top 10 turning into good major leaguers. The issue is, what has already been discussed ad nauseum, actually developing those players. Especially hitters. I feel fairly confident in this team's ability to develop a pitching staff and the system is weighted toward pitching. But a lot has to go right for the Sox to turn 4 or 5 of those position players into every day players. It would be nice if Colson could stick at SS while Gonzalez and Ramos pan out and can play 2B and 3B respectively. Hopefully the idea is to pump up our pitchers' value and trade them for guys who can hit and balance out the system. The Mena trade was the right idea, just wasted on a pointless player. Kopech seems like the likeliest candidate to bring back a good player. A lot does have to go right, that's true. The one thing in our favor this time is, all of our position guys possess a strong knowledge of the strike zone. That couldn't be said of the last group. Couple that with the fact that all 5 players in this group play premium defensive positions, at least to start. That seems like a very big advantage going forward. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Saturday at 12:10 AM Share Posted Saturday at 12:10 AM Getz actually cited this Bleacher Report farm ranking. 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted Saturday at 12:22 AM Share Posted Saturday at 12:22 AM 8 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Getz actually cited this Bleacher Report farm ranking. 🤣 seems like whenever Fangraphs updates their rankings, Sox will assuredly have a top 10 (they are 12th, right below SDP, before factoring in the Cease trade) system by their rankings. Probably top 5 considering all the graduations coming for the teams above the Sox. Citing Bleacher Report is probably dumb but the farm system seems to be in genuinely OK shape. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScootsMcGoots Posted Saturday at 02:10 AM Share Posted Saturday at 02:10 AM 1 hour ago, nrockway said: seems like whenever Fangraphs updates their rankings, Sox will assuredly have a top 10 (they are 12th, right below SDP, before factoring in the Cease trade) system by their rankings. Probably top 5 considering all the graduations coming for the teams above the Sox. Citing Bleacher Report is probably dumb but the farm system seems to be in genuinely OK shape. Now when those guys move up, can they keep it in shape? The answer: no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted Saturday at 02:15 AM Share Posted Saturday at 02:15 AM Jake Eder has best outing in a Sox uniform tonite. 6 4 2 2 2 8. Colson Montgomery 4 walks tonite. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted Saturday at 02:22 AM Share Posted Saturday at 02:22 AM 9 minutes ago, ScootsMcGoots said: Now when those guys move up, can they keep it in shape? The answer: no. I'm pleasantly surprised by what guys are doing at every level to be honest. Even after Colson and Thorpe graduate, I think there are some studs, guys who might move up/into top 100 territory. AAA isn't the most impressive level to me. I'm not willing to say it's a "successful" farm, more like let's wait and see. early returns seem positive. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted Saturday at 03:31 AM Share Posted Saturday at 03:31 AM 3 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Getz actually cited this Bleacher Report farm ranking. 🤣 Man is just not in his element. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Saturday at 03:54 AM Share Posted Saturday at 03:54 AM 21 minutes ago, Quin said: Man is just not in his element. Reminiscent of Hahn constantly citing his AL Executive of the Year award. The only BR that matters inside the industry is Baseball-Reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted Saturday at 04:01 AM Share Posted Saturday at 04:01 AM 6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Reminiscent of Hahn constantly citing his AL Executive of the Year award. The only BR that matters inside the industry is Baseball-Reference. Right before he was fired, when Hahn said that he probably isn't as bad as people think he is, but probably didn't earn the AL EoY, that was funniest attempt to flex I've ever heard. It was simultaneously knocking his personal best recognition while reminding everyone he had it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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