WestEddy Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 On 6/11/2025 at 9:14 AM, WestEddy said: The White Sox were 7-23 (.230) on the morning of May 1st. I believe that since then, they have swapped out better rookies and injured vets for guys like Jankowski, Vaughn and Amaya. Since 5/1, the Sox have played 16-21 (.420) baseball. If we assume that while swapping out better prospects for slumping regulars (Sosa/Monty for Capra, Fletcher for Palacios), they continue at a .420 pace, that would be a record of 17-25 in the remaining games before the TDL, or a 40-69 record on the morning of 8/1. I'm going to say the Sox decimate their bullpen, and maybe trade Houser and Davis, so that maybe they'll limp along for the rest of the season at the .230 pace they played through 4/30. That would be a 12-41 record the rest of the way, finishing 52-110. AL Central Division (morning of 8/1 - actual) Tm W L W-L% GB RS RA pythW-L% DET 64 46 .582 -- 532 451 .575 CLE 54 54 .500 9.0 424 453 .470 KCR 54 55 .495 9.5 393 411 .480 MIN 51 57 .472 12.0 451 484 .468 CHW 40 69 .367 23.5 416 480 .435 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 14 minutes ago, WestEddy said: AL Central Division (morning of 8/1 - actual) Tm W L W-L% GB RS RA pythW-L% DET 64 46 .582 -- 532 451 .575 CLE 54 54 .500 9.0 424 453 .470 KCR 54 55 .495 9.5 393 411 .480 MIN 51 57 .472 12.0 451 484 .468 CHW 40 69 .367 23.5 416 480 .435 Conversely, if they play at that .420 rate the rest of the way from today, on (42-70), they'd go 21-29 the rest of the way, or finish at 63-99. Their difficulty of schedule has dropped from 3rd hardest to 12th hardest, rest of the way. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 11 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Conversely, if they play at that .420 rate the rest of the way from today, on (42-70), they'd go 21-29 the rest of the way, or finish at 63-99. Their difficulty of schedule has dropped from 3rd hardest to 12th hardest, rest of the way. I love these posts, backed up by actual posts. WestEddy Nostradamus II 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Update: At the start of the year, I told myself the Sox need to win 5 out of every 16 games to get to 50 wins (and then they’d still have two games to spare). So I will break the season into ten different 16-game chunks. I’ll update every time we finish another 16 games. Here are the results: 4-12 5-11 5-11 7-9 4-12 7-9 10-6 3-13 Total: 45-83, on pace for 57 wins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 (edited) On 7/23/2025 at 10:31 PM, flavum said: Every 27.., 7-20, 10-17, 9-18 now 11-11, with 5 left Nice to see improvement. Now make some trades. 7-20, 10-17, 9-18, 13-14, 9-18 we probably have a 11-16 left. Something like that. 59-103 Edited August 30 by flavum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 On 8/5/2025 at 3:23 AM, WestEddy said: Conversely, if they play at that .420 rate the rest of the way from today, on (42-70), they'd go 21-29 the rest of the way, or finish at 63-99. Their difficulty of schedule has dropped from 3rd hardest to 12th hardest, rest of the way. Why were we trading Davis Martin at the deadline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Might as well lose 100 again. Wonder if we can get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 4 hours ago, greg775 said: Might as well lose 100 again. Wonder if we can get there. They would need to go 15-12 the rest of the way to avoid 100 losses. Bet your house Greg, they’re losing 100+. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 4 hours ago, greg775 said: Might as well lose 100 again. Wonder if we can get there. It’s virtually impossible for them to win 63 games. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 I never thought we'd be like those Orioles teams of whenever it was, 8-10 years ago mabe, that were out of it in May every year and were the dregs of baseball. Sox really have damaged their reputation historically. We used to be average to contention fairly often. Now we stink every single season. Very sad. I know the tank/rebuild lovers don't mind much but it saddens me we've become the Bears and Bulls of baseball, noncontenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 2 hours ago, greg775 said: I never thought we'd be like those Orioles teams of whenever it was, 8-10 years ago mabe, that were out of it in May every year and were the dregs of baseball. Sox really have damaged their reputation historically. We used to be average to contention fairly often. Now we stink every single season. Very sad. I know the tank/rebuild lovers don't mind much but it saddens me we've become the Bears and Bulls of baseball, noncontenders. Once again this false narrative comes to the forefront. I don't know of ANY Sox fan...NONE who "don't mind" losing, tanking, rebuilding. But when you have an owner who refuses to compete, who refuses to spend money, who refuses to take any risks, who thinks players are overpaid and still yearns for a salary cap...rebuilding, tanking is basically the ONLY WAY to maybe get out of the cesspool he created. Will it work? It hasn't so far that's for damn sure but odds of a 1,000-1 are still better than zero because JR is simply not trying to win anymore. Period...full stop...end of story. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 3 hours ago, greg775 said: I never thought we'd be like those Orioles teams of whenever it was, 8-10 years ago mabe, that were out of it in May every year and were the dregs of baseball. Sox really have damaged their reputation historically. We used to be average to contention fairly often. Now we stink every single season. Very sad. I know the tank/rebuild lovers don't mind much but it saddens me we've become the Bears and Bulls of baseball, noncontenders. Frankly, I wish the Bulls would tank and bottom out. They have been incredibly hard to watch since the Jimmy Butler trade in 2017. Had some hope when they went all in in 2021, signing Ball, DeRozan, trading for Vucevic, but it was a complete bust. Since, they've just doubled down on the treadmill. Since Karnisovas took over, they've traded draft picks for mediocre veterans, drafted busts with the picks they have left, re-signed those busts/mediocre veterans to massive contracts, mishandled the two good players they got back from the Butler trade. They have an average winning percentage of .475 or a record of 39-42 over the last 5 seasons. Good enough to keep selling out the United Center, you have a 47/53 chance of seeing a win if you attend a game, but really just garbage, un-fun basketball that doesn't make the playoffs and with nothing to look forward to (besides maybe Matas Buzelis who will very likely not be the star we want him to be). The only good player left on the team is a holdover from the previous front office. Watching these Sox losses sucks but I'm really enjoying watching the young hitters grow. These games are still semi-enjoyable and many of the rookies are producing and getting better. Colson looks like a franchise player. Braden might join him. Teel and Quero look great along with others. There is reason to be optimistic about the minor league players. We're losing these games because of scrub veterans, the difference between the Bulls is that the young guys are actually producing, could get even better and scrub veterans aren't being signed to huge deals they underperform. The key word there is could, the guys could also bust the same as Moncada, Eloy, Kopech, Madrigal etc. But at least there's something to be optimistic about. I'd be tuned out watching Birmingham or doing something actually productive if I didn't think they were entertaining. I think that's the difference between the Sox and the Bulls. I dunno about the Bears, don't really watch football, but Caleb Williams seems a lot worse at it than Jaden McDaniels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 15 hours ago, T R U said: They would need to go 15-12 the rest of the way to avoid 100 losses. Bet your house Greg, they’re losing 100+. The fight for 40 games under .500! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 (edited) 3 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Once again this false narrative comes to the forefront. I don't know of ANY Sox fan...NONE who "don't mind" losing, tanking, rebuilding. But when you have an owner who refuses to compete, who refuses to spend money, who refuses to take any risks, who thinks players are overpaid and still yearns for a salary cap...rebuilding, tanking is basically the ONLY WAY to maybe get out of the cesspool he created. Will it work? It hasn't so far that's for damn sure but odds of a 1,000-1 are still better than zero because JR is simply not trying to win anymore. Period...full stop...end of story. It prolly doesn't seem that way but I hear you, LipMan. I just think in our Sox case the tank/rebuild thing has been an utter DISASTER. For gosh sakes Bill Veeck at least tried to win (1977 pitch at risk to Richie Zisk). And something you and others won't explain to me: How the heck do fellow low market teams KC, Cleveland, Minnie Detroit do it? It ain't the tank/rebuild method. They just get enough players to compete. Sorry to be a broken record; the losing just tears me up year after year. Edited August 31 by greg775 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 4 hours ago, greg775 said: It prolly doesn't seem that way but I hear you, LipMan. I just think in our Sox case the tank/rebuild thing has been an utter DISASTER. For gosh sakes Bill Veeck at least tried to win (1977 pitch at risk to Richie Zisk). And something you and others won't explain to me: How the heck do fellow low market teams KC, Cleveland, Minnie Detroit do it? It ain't the tank/rebuild method. They just get enough players to compete. Sorry to be a broken record; the losing just tears me up year after year. Detroit, KC, and Minnesota to a lesser degree have all undergone significant rebuilds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 5 hours ago, greg775 said: It prolly doesn't seem that way but I hear you, LipMan. I just think in our Sox case the tank/rebuild thing has been an utter DISASTER. For gosh sakes Bill Veeck at least tried to win (1977 pitch at risk to Richie Zisk). And something you and others won't explain to me: How the heck do fellow low market teams KC, Cleveland, Minnie Detroit do it? It ain't the tank/rebuild method. They just get enough players to compete. Sorry to be a broken record; the losing just tears me up year after year. It’s funny because everyone here has patiently explained it, you just choose to act like people that understand the process are the ones driving it, and somehow blame them for the lack of results as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 31 Author Share Posted August 31 16 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: It’s funny because everyone here has patiently explained it, you just choose to act like people that understand the process are the ones driving it, and somehow blame them for the lack of results as well. It's almost like he knows better and does this on purpose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 10 hours ago, greg775 said: It prolly doesn't seem that way but I hear you, LipMan. I just think in our Sox case the tank/rebuild thing has been an utter DISASTER. For gosh sakes Bill Veeck at least tried to win (1977 pitch at risk to Richie Zisk). And something you and others won't explain to me: How the heck do fellow low market teams KC, Cleveland, Minnie Detroit do it? It ain't the tank/rebuild method. They just get enough players to compete. Sorry to be a broken record; the losing just tears me up year after year. All of them have gone through "rebuilding," in some cases multiple times. The successes they have had in large part have been based on a competent front office. When was the last time the Sox could say they had a competent front office/organization? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 9 hours ago, Boopa1219 said: Detroit, KC, and Minnesota to a lesser degree have all undergone significant rebuilds. None of them tried to lose like we have done for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 4 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: All of them have gone through "rebuilding," in some cases multiple times. The successes they have had in large part have been based on a competent front office. When was the last time the Sox could say they had a competent front office/organization? All of them have somehow found a way to acquire players good enough to contend. Lip's front office comment would be the only reason for the Sox total ineptitude if we are saying they actually have a desire to win. I can buy the argument that the Sox front office 'may' be that bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 13 minutes ago, greg775 said: All of them have somehow found a way to acquire players good enough to contend. Lip's front office comment would be the only reason for the Sox total ineptitude if we are saying they actually have a desire to win. I can buy the argument that the Sox front office 'may' be that bad. There's no "may" about it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 On 8/29/2025 at 9:02 PM, flavum said: 7-20, 10-17, 9-18, 13-14, 9-18 we probably have a 11-16 left. Something like that. 59-103 Well, considering they’re 6-1 starting the final 27, gonna go out on a limb and say it’ll be better than 5-15 the final 20. It’s nice to see runs scored. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 On 8/31/2025 at 1:52 AM, greg775 said: How the heck do fellow low market teams KC, Cleveland, Minnie Detroit do it? It ain't the tank/rebuild method. The Tigers had 7 losing seasons from 2017-2023, bottoming out at 114 losses in 2019. Their low finishes allowed them to draft Casey Mise (1;1) in 2018, Riley Green (1;5) in 2019, Spencer Torkelson (1;1) in 2020, Jackson Jobe (1;3) in 2021, Jace Jung (1;12) in 2022, OF Max Clark (1;3) in 2023, and Bryce Ranier (1;11) in 2024. I'm not going to do all 4, but the Tigers and Royals have bottomed out, lost a lot, and built from within. The Twins and Indians have also built through the draft, while taking advantage of having 3 doormat teams in the division. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 On 3/18/2025 at 12:08 PM, WestEddy said: 54. I got overly exuberant in the bold predictions thread and yelled out 60, but they're just not going to score enough runs, and if they do, Drury, Robert, Tauchman, Thaiss, maybe even Vaughn will be out the door sooner than later. I'm so ready to eat some yum-yum crow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: The Tigers had 7 losing seasons from 2017-2023, bottoming out at 114 losses in 2019. Their low finishes allowed them to draft Casey Mise (1;1) in 2018, Riley Green (1;5) in 2019, Spencer Torkelson (1;1) in 2020, Jackson Jobe (1;3) in 2021, Jace Jung (1;12) in 2022, OF Max Clark (1;3) in 2023, and Bryce Ranier (1;11) in 2024. I'm not going to do all 4, but the Tigers and Royals have bottomed out, lost a lot, and built from within. The Twins and Indians have also built through the draft, while taking advantage of having 3 doormat teams in the division. They also get a lot more draft picks than the Sox thanks to those stupid competitive balance picks that help out small markets like Detroit and the St. Louis Cardinals. Also, both Cleveland and Minnesota have had insane luck in the stupid draft lottery when they haven’t been tanking. Cleveland has had one moderately down year in the last 5 and they got the first overall pick. Thankfully, it looks like they got a good player not a great player, but still… 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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