77 Hitmen Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 (edited) The Commanders new stadium has a price tag of $2.7B (which the team is paying) but the whole project will cost ~$4B when you count infrastructure and other development at the site. That's probably how you get to $5B for the Bears since they want to develop more than just a stadium at Arlington Park. Heck, the 1901 Project at the UC is supposed to cost $7B. And the proposed redevelopment of the parking lots around Citi Field in NYC reportedly has an $8B price tag. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44893202/washington-commanders-dc-reach-deal-new-stadium-rfk-site Edited July 8 by 77 Hitmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 4 hours ago, Harry Chappas said: Working in Illinois does double projects like that. The state of Illinois is a cesspool of grift and incompetency. I would venture to guess that in cook county 75% of the people are union grifters and government workers (who are also union). I would love to see the cost to build the stadium in NW indiana. So being a worker who organizes to increase bargaining power and make things more even makes one a grifter... then what are business owners? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 17 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said: While more expensive for sure, I doubt that being in IL would more than double the price of a stadium. There has to be more to the $5B figure than just the stadium itself. We'll see what happens in the fall IL legislative session. One of the state reps suggested they were really close to a deal, but ran out of time in the spring. If what you're saying is true, that they were close to a deal on the new Bears stadium. If something is done in the fall session, I would like to think that some sort of deal will be worked out for a new White Sox stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: So being a worker who organizes to increase bargaining power and make things more even makes one a grifter... then what are business owners? Benevolent men of industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 1 hour ago, Quin said: Benevolent men of industry. Except for those greedy hedge fund types, obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 2 hours ago, WBWSF said: If what you're saying is true, that they were close to a deal on the new Bears stadium. If something is done in the fall session, I would like to think that some sort of deal will be worked out for a new White Sox stadium. This was the story I read with the one rep saying they were "close and just ran out of time." We'll see in a few months - it's just one elected official saying that while the reps from Chicago (who would lose the Bears to AH) don't share the same optimism. https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/06/01/general-assembly-bears-stadium/ I'm not sure how this would impact the White Sox, but I'd imagine *IF* Justin Ishbia wants a new stadium for the team he's going to buy AND is willing to commit private financing for the ballpark itself, then a deal to help the Bears could help pave the way for action to help with infrastructure needs for a new Sox stadium. And there's also the Fire saying they want to break ground at the 78 this fall. We'll see if that indeed happens and what kind of infrastructure investment the city/state commits for that site to get the Fire stadium built. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 On 6/30/2025 at 3:21 PM, WBWSF said: Assuming they build a stadium at the 78, the longer they wait to start building the stadium, the more it will cost. The Bears have said a number of times that they wanted to start building their new stadium this year. They maintain that the longer they wait the more it will cost. I'm told the Bears simply don't have the money for a new stadium. They have $2 billion dollars and need another $3 billion dollars which they don't have. Nobody is building Sox a new grifted home. Generic Jerry Park is their home. They don't deserve 10 cents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 8 minutes ago, pcq said: Nobody is building Sox a new grifted home. Generic Jerry Park is their home. They don't deserve 10 cents. The A's have started their new park but do not have the money to finish it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 48 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said: This was the story I read with the one rep saying they were "close and just ran out of time." We'll see in a few months - it's just one elected official saying that while the reps from Chicago (who would lose the Bears to AH) don't share the same optimism. https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/06/01/general-assembly-bears-stadium/ I'm not sure how this would impact the White Sox, but I'd imagine *IF* Justin Ishbia wants a new stadium for the team he's going to buy AND is willing to commit private financing for the ballpark itself, then a deal to help the Bears could help pave the way for action to help with infrastructure needs for a new Sox stadium. And there's also the Fire saying they want to break ground at the 78 this fall. We'll see if that indeed happens and what kind of infrastructure investment the city/state commits for that site to get the Fire stadium built. It definitely seems like the 78 site is getting prepped, saw people surveying out there last week and the storage are near the bridge seems like its being disassembled. Obviously that's the spot where the Fire stadium is set to be, but there's definitely some movement going on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 55 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said: This was the story I read with the one rep saying they were "close and just ran out of time." We'll see in a few months - it's just one elected official saying that while the reps from Chicago (who would lose the Bears to AH) don't share the same optimism. https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/06/01/general-assembly-bears-stadium/ I'm not sure how this would impact the White Sox, but I'd imagine *IF* Justin Ishbia wants a new stadium for the team he's going to buy AND is willing to commit private financing for the ballpark itself, then a deal to help the Bears could help pave the way for action to help with infrastructure needs for a new Sox stadium. And there's also the Fire saying they want to break ground at the 78 this fall. We'll see if that indeed happens and what kind of infrastructure investment the city/state commits for that site to get the Fire stadium built. That one rep and the Mayor may be the only politicians in favor of giving tax payer money to the Bears and White Sox. I've seen numerous stories (and posted the links) where politician after politician is basically saying 'no way' as far as giving money to them. Politics of course is a strange game so we'll see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) 5 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: That one rep and the Mayor may be the only politicians in favor of giving tax payer money to the Bears and White Sox. I've seen numerous stories (and posted the links) where politician after politician is basically saying 'no way' as far as giving money to them. Politics of course is a strange game so we'll see what happens. The only thing that is clear to me is that the Bears and the Sox will have to come up with all (or at least nearly all) of the money for the stadium itself. The Bears are said to be committing at least $2B in private financing toward a new stadium. But there's still a lot of tax payer money that could potentially be approved for infrastructure and development of the land around the actual stadium. That's what's happening in DC - the Commanders are paying $2.7B for the stadium itself but there's something like $1B in public money that will be spent to develop the rest of the site. Right or wrong, good investment or bad, I can see politicians approving such costs when they can go back to the voters and say these are privately financed stadiums. As far as the Sox go, my guess is that the new owner will need to commit at least $1B in private financing if he wants a new stadium as Jerry has been angling for. Let's say for the sake of argument that Ishbia does exactly that - say he'll privately finance $1B to build a new Sox ballpark. Is it still a "no way" from state officials as far as any public money going to that project? I really don't know. I don't think it's quite so obvious at that point. Edited July 9 by 77 Hitmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 9 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said: The only thing that is clear to me is that the Bears and the Sox will have to come up with all (or at least nearly all) of the money for the stadium itself. The Bears are said to be committing at least $2B in private financing toward a new stadium. But there's still a lot of tax payer money that could potentially be approved for infrastructure and development of the land around the actual stadium. That's what's happening in DC - the Commanders are paying $2.7B for the stadium itself but there's something like $1B in public money that will be spent to develop the rest of the site. Right or wrong, good investment or bad, I can see politicians approving such costs when they can go back to the voters and say these are privately financed stadiums. As far as the Sox go, my guess is that the new owner will need to commit at least $1B in private financing if he wants a new stadium as Jerry has been angling for. Let's say for the sake of argument that Ishbia does exactly that - say he'll privately finance $1B to build a new Sox ballpark. Is it still a "no way" from state officials as far as any public money going to that project? I really don't know. I don't think it's quite so obvious at that point. If Ishbia is going to give money towards a new White Sox stadium I wish he would say that. The sooner the better as far as I'm concerned. I still can't see the City of Chicago spending all that money on infrastructure at the 78 on 20 soccer games a year. The 78 needs a White Sox stadium to justify spending all that infrastructure money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 16 minutes ago, WBWSF said: If Ishbia is going to give money towards a new White Sox stadium I wish he would say that. The sooner the better as far as I'm concerned. I still can't see the City of Chicago spending all that money on infrastructure at the 78 on 20 soccer games a year. The 78 needs a White Sox stadium to justify spending all that infrastructure money. They aren't going to say anything publicly until a deal is done. Good businessmen don't negotiate in public. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 On 6/30/2025 at 3:21 PM, WBWSF said: Assuming they build a stadium at the 78, the longer they wait to start building the stadium, the more it will cost. The Bears have said a number of times that they wanted to start building their new stadium this year. They maintain that the longer they wait the more it will cost. I'm told the Bears simply don't have the money for a new stadium. They have $2 billion dollars and need another $3 billion dollars which they don't have. The Bears have sent out a survey to fans about various costs and amenities at a new stadium: https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2025/07/12/bears-test-waters-on-fan-appetite-for-amenities-exorbitant-prices-at-potential-new-stadium https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2025/07/10/bears-send-out-stadium-survey-to-season-ticket-holders/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 12 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said: The Bears have sent out a survey to fans about various costs and amenities at a new stadium: https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2025/07/12/bears-test-waters-on-fan-appetite-for-amenities-exorbitant-prices-at-potential-new-stadium https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2025/07/10/bears-send-out-stadium-survey-to-season-ticket-holders/ Those prices they are considering (LOL) are simply outrageous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 On 7/9/2025 at 7:04 AM, southsider2k5 said: They aren't going to say anything publicly until a deal is done. Good businessmen don't negotiate in public. Nor do they buy stadiums and always get someone else to pay for it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 On 7/8/2025 at 5:14 PM, pcq said: The A's have started their new park but do not have the money to finish it. Nobody believes Sox org would have any skills in getting a stadium deal done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 16 hours ago, kitekrazy said: Nor do they buy stadiums and always get someone else to pay for it that is commonplace now, across pretty much all sports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 (edited) On 7/12/2025 at 8:27 PM, pcq said: Nobody believes Sox org would have any skills in getting a stadium deal done. In case you haven't heard, there's are super-rich billionaire brothers lined up to be the next Sox owners. I think it's very clear to everyone at this point that the notion of Jerry getting the state to build him a new stadium with $1B in public money is dead, including to Reinsdorf himself. Going forward, it'll all depend on what the Ishbias want to do with the stadium situation in preparation of them assuming control of the franchise between 2029 and 2034. I don't think it's a coincidence that the window for Ishbia taking control starts the same year that the current lease is up. Edited July 14 by 77 Hitmen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 13 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said: In case you haven't heard, there's are super-rich billionaire brothers lined up to be the next Sox owners. I think it's very clear to everyone at this point that the notion of Jerry getting the state to build him a new stadium with $1B in public money is dead, including to Reinsdorf himself. Going forward, it'll all depend on what the Ishbias want to do with the stadium situation in preparation of them assuming control of the franchise between 2029 and 2034. I don't think it's a coincidence that the window for Ishbia taking control starts the same year that the current lease is up. Oh boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 17 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said: In case you haven't heard, there's are super-rich billionaire brothers lined up to be the next Sox owners. I think it's very clear to everyone at this point that the notion of Jerry getting the state to build him a new stadium with $1B in public money is dead, including to Reinsdorf himself. Going forward, it'll all depend on what the Ishbias want to do with the stadium situation in preparation of them assuming control of the franchise between 2029 and 2034. I don't think it's a coincidence that the window for Ishbia taking control starts the same year that the current lease is up. And to be clear, there almost certainly is going to be some change to the "stadium situation" as team ownership gets handed over in a few years since the current lease is up in 2029 and I doubt there's simply going to be a new long-term "sweetheart" lease that incentivizes mediocre performance. This doesn't mean the team is certainly moving to the 78. My guess is that there's a good chance that the new owners keep the Sox at 35th and Shields long-term. But if anyone thinks this won't come with major changes to the current park and the acres of parking surrounding it, you aren't paying attention to the current economics of stadiums and their surroundings. Heck, that could even mean a new retro-style stadium on the site of Old Comiskey. Maybe that alternative isn't likely, but it's more plausible than just keeping the same status quo for the next 30 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Chinatown residents express concern about the new Fire stadium at the 78: https://www.nbcchicago.com/chicago-sports-bears-sox-cubs-bulls-blackhawks/chinatown-residents-express-concerns-over-proposed-chicago-fire-stadium/3802086/ https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2025/07/30/chinatown-chicago-fire-stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 In other sports facility news, the San Antonio Spurs are committing $1B toward a new downtown basketball arena and entertainment district. https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2025/07/25/san-antonio-spurs-outline-proposed-investment-details-for-downtown-arena/ If built, this would be their 3rd new stadium since 1993. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NO!!MARY!!! Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) On 7/15/2025 at 11:34 AM, 77 Hitmen said: And to be clear, there almost certainly is going to be some change to the "stadium situation" as team ownership gets handed over in a few years since the current lease is up in 2029 and I doubt there's simply going to be a new long-term "sweetheart" lease that incentivizes mediocre performance. This doesn't mean the team is certainly moving to the 78. My guess is that there's a good chance that the new owners keep the Sox at 35th and Shields long-term. But if anyone thinks this won't come with major changes to the current park and the acres of parking surrounding it, you aren't paying attention to the current economics of stadiums and their surroundings. Heck, that could even mean a new retro-style stadium on the site of Old Comiskey. Maybe that alternative isn't likely, but it's more plausible than just keeping the same status quo for the next 30 years. If they ever build a retro style park in the footprint of Old Comiskey, the immediate reaction of pretty much everyone will be “retro parks are dead. The White Sox goof it up once again. Why did they abandon a perfectly good and serviceable park across the street for this outdated white elephant?” Edited July 31 by NO!!MARY!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 31 minutes ago, NO!!MARY!!! said: If they ever build a retro style park in the footprint of Old Comiskey, the immediate reaction of pretty much everyone will be “retro parks are dead. The White Sox goof it up once again. Why did they abandon a perfectly good and serviceable park across the street for this outdated white elephant?” Maybe one person. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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