Bob Sacamano Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 1 hour ago, Tony said: I understand the distinction, wasn't clearing it up moreso citing they have made some decisions that didn't make a lot of sense and were clearly financially based. It made sense to non-tender him when they did. Did not make sense to not QO him after that one great year when he was a free agent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 4 hours ago, Tony said: But it is valid. Dude put up a 5.1 WAR for them in 2021, and were so fearful of him accepting the 18.4 qualifying offer, didn't even extend one. He went on to make 31 starts for the Giants the next year, and put up a 5.2 WAR in 2022. Meanwhile the Sox had to release Dallas Keuchle in 2022 after he posted a 7.88 ERA in 8 starts. He was making 18 million that season. Just awesome asset management from the Sox. Another great Hahn move. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 7 minutes ago, oldsox said: Another great Hahn move. That was their pivot after Zach Wheeler turned them down. Things would have looked a lot different if Wheeler accepted the Sox offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 (edited) 15 hours ago, oldsox said: Another great Hahn move. Keuchel was the last remaining pitcher from the upper tier at that point...the regression was already there with ATL. Most of 2020 wildly outpitched his peripherals. Edited August 29 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 2 hours ago, Tony said: That was their pivot after Zach Wheeler turned them down. Things would have looked a lot different if Wheeler accepted the Sox offer. When you think about it that is so White Sox isn't it? Shoot for the moon...miss and the only thing that is left is scarp heap players. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 9 hours ago, Tony said: But it is valid. Dude put up a 5.1 WAR for them in 2021, and were so fearful of him accepting the 18.4 qualifying offer, didn't even extend one. He went on to make 31 starts for the Giants the next year, and put up a 5.2 WAR in 2022. Meanwhile the Sox had to release Dallas Keuchle in 2022 after he posted a 7.88 ERA in 8 starts. He was making 18 million that season. Just awesome asset management from the Sox. Idiots instead gave it to Kimbrel. Was so stupid - said it than and will continue to say it now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Listening to Getz on soxtalk podcast, I think Luis won’t be back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 1 minute ago, fathom said: Listening to Getz on soxtalk podcast, I think Luis won’t be back What did he say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: What did he say? The usual stuff we’ve heard but stressed the injury history as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 (edited) 41 minutes ago, fathom said: The usual stuff we’ve heard but stressed the injury history as well I don’t understand why he said this then, right after the injury announcement — “We’re committed to Luis.” How do you say that after this latest injury if you aren’t planning to bring him back via his option? If there was any doubt about it, a GM would just not say that last sentence. Unless said GM is a moron… Edited August 29 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Yeah I would bet my house that they pick up the option. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 6 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Yeah I would bet my house that they pick up the option. Hopefully it’s a Greg house… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Hopefully it’s a Greg house… Betting on the Sox to make a decision when it comes to adding $20 million in payroll would definitely be a Greg house type gamble. But unless Getz is a complete and utter imbecile, I don’t understand why else he would be making these comments about Robert. He said it right after the deadline, and he is now saying it again after Robert’s latest injury. Getz must know that Jerry already gave the okay to pick up his option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 17 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Betting on the Sox to make a decision when it comes to adding $20 million in payroll would definitely be a Greg house type gamble. But unless Getz is a complete and utter imbecile, I don’t understand why else he would be making these comments about Robert. He said it right after the deadline, and he is now saying it again after Robert’s latest injury. Getz must know that Jerry already gave the okay to pick up his option. Assuming Benny is back, the Sox have around $40 million in committed payroll to fill out the roster. Even bringing back Robert at $20 million still puts them far below their number this year, and they are finally getting some TV money. Don't get me wrong, they MIGHT not bring him back, but it shouldn't be because of bottom dollar considerations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 On 8/28/2025 at 11:24 AM, fathom said: Not so sure about that. I don’t think they wanted to be embarrassed about just how little they got in return for him. Funny thing is I would have been fine with what the Giants got back for Rogers. 21 hours ago, Dick Allen said: This is the team that non tendered Carlos Rodon when they actually were contending. There is no way they pick up Robert now. 20 hours ago, LittleHurtCG said: The season ending injury 100% percent changes things. Luis Robert is not even close to being worth a $20 million dollar option and has already proven he has little to no trade value. Decline the option and offer him a one year deal for 5 or 6 million. Let him walk and be done with it if he declines. 1 hour ago, fathom said: Listening to Getz on soxtalk podcast, I think Luis won’t be back I can't believe that this is still a talking point. The Luis Robert decision was made in July. Once they didn't trade him for whatever they could, picking up the option became a necessity. If they weren't picking it up, they would've traded him for a very underwhelming Cedric Mullins type return. Declining Robert's option at this point would be a fireable offense. They're already committed. It wasn't a "see what happens and then decide" because the front office needed to make a decision on his future by 7/31 and they did so by not trading him. I don't know if he'll actually be on next year's team but I'd be absolutely stunned if they declined his option and made him a free agent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 9 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I can't believe that this is still a talking point. The Luis Robert decision was made in July. Once they didn't trade him for whatever they could, picking up the option became a necessity. If they weren't picking it up, they would've traded him for a very underwhelming Cedric Mullins type return. Declining Robert's option at this point would be a fireable offense. They're already committed. It wasn't a "see what happens and then decide" because the front office needed to make a decision on his future by 7/31 and they did so by not trading him. I don't know if he'll actually be on next year's team but I'd be absolutely stunned if they declined his option and made him a free agent. After yet another season ending injury (or really close to it) do you really think his value is going to go up in the off season vs what teams were offering to them at the trade deadline? His health is literally point #1 to his value going forward, and it just failed again. If the Sox do decide to bring him back, I can't see anyone trading for him in the off season. If the Sox really think they are dealing him in the offseason, I see no reason to think it will be for much more than the could have gotten for him in July after he misses another 6 weeks due to another soft tissue injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: After yet another season ending injury (or really close to it) do you really think his value is going to go up in the off season vs what teams were offering to them at the trade deadline? His health is literally point #1 to his value going forward, and it just failed again. If the Sox do decide to bring him back, I can't see anyone trading for him in the off season. If the Sox really think they are dealing him in the offseason, I see no reason to think it will be for much more than the could have gotten for him in July after he misses another 6 weeks due to another soft tissue injury. Yeah, when that option gets picked up, I expect him to be the starting CF in 2026. I don't think any team will offer more than they were in July. I hope I am wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Just now, southsider2k5 said: After yet another season ending injury (or really close to it) do you really think his value is going to go up in the off season vs what teams were offering to them at the trade deadline? His health is literally point #1 to his value going forward, and it just failed again. If the Sox do decide to bring him back, I can't see anyone trading for him in the off season. If the Sox really think they are dealing him in the offseason, I see no reason to think it will be for much more than the could have gotten for him in July after he misses another 6 weeks due to another soft tissue injury. I would be more stunned if the thought process was "Our payroll is low, f*** it its just $20M". Does that sound at all like something the owner of the White Sox is signing off on? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: After yet another season ending injury (or really close to it) do you really think his value is going to go up in the off season vs what teams were offering to them at the trade deadline? His health is literally point #1 to his value going forward, and it just failed again. If the Sox do decide to bring him back, I can't see anyone trading for him in the off season. If the Sox really think they are dealing him in the offseason, I see no reason to think it will be for much more than the could have gotten for him in July after he misses another 6 weeks due to another soft tissue injury. But I think to the point James is making...him going down with another long term injury after the July 31st deadline had to be factored into some of their thought process. This is nothing new for Robert and the Sox. So if they decided to hold onto him after July 31st, it's either trade him in the offseason or have him play CF for the Sox in 2026, no matter what happens in August/September of 2025. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 23 minutes ago, Tony said: But I think to the point James is making...him going down with another long term injury after the July 31st deadline had to be factored into some of their thought process. This is nothing new for Robert and the Sox. So if they decided to hold onto him after July 31st, it's either trade him in the offseason or have him play CF for the Sox in 2026, no matter what happens in August/September of 2025. And unless the return is awful, he isn't getting traded in the off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 55 minutes ago, Tony said: But I think to the point James is making...him going down with another long term injury after the July 31st deadline had to be factored into some of their thought process. This is nothing new for Robert and the Sox. So if they decided to hold onto him after July 31st, it's either trade him in the offseason or have him play CF for the Sox in 2026, no matter what happens in August/September of 2025. I have to think @Y2Jimmy0 is right. The only way it would make sense to buy him out would’ve been a career-threatening injury, not a typical hammy strain. I agree that the decision on the option has already been made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 33 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: And unless the return is awful, he isn't getting traded in the off season. And then Getz gets to play the game of the risky diminishing value asset for yet another season. I doubt it ends well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I can't believe that this is still a talking point. The Luis Robert decision was made in July. Once they didn't trade him for whatever they could, picking up the option became a necessity. If they weren't picking it up, they would've traded him for a very underwhelming Cedric Mullins type return. Declining Robert's option at this point would be a fireable offense. They're already committed. It wasn't a "see what happens and then decide" because the front office needed to make a decision on his future by 7/31 and they did so by not trading him. I don't know if he'll actually be on next year's team but I'd be absolutely stunned if they declined his option and made him a free agent. I think the question really is - how much cash do they potentially need to pick up if they move him in the off-season vs. rolling the dice. For example - if they picked up his option but than traded him along with $10M -> at that point -> do the Sox get something decent, maybe a draft pick, international bonus and a former Top 100 prospect or something like that? Or do they wait and take there chances and see if he can start off hot and move him? Would they even be able to get what I'm proposing with Robert on a 1yr 10M deal (to another team) knowing that team has options -> but also it gives them a lot of flexibility given the pending lockout. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 7 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: I think the question really is - how much cash do they potentially need to pick up if they move him in the off-season vs. rolling the dice. For example - if they picked up his option but than traded him along with $10M -> at that point -> do the Sox get something decent, maybe a draft pick, international bonus and a former Top 100 prospect or something like that? Or do they wait and take there chances and see if he can start off hot and move him? Would they even be able to get what I'm proposing with Robert on a 1yr 10M deal (to another team) knowing that team has options -> but also it gives them a lot of flexibility given the pending lockout. Had he stayed healthy and productive the rest of the year, sending cash along with him might have actually improved the return. But I just can’t see a team giving up legit value at this point even with cash. The injury risk is just too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: After yet another season ending injury (or really close to it) do you really think his value is going to go up in the off season vs what teams were offering to them at the trade deadline? His health is literally point #1 to his value going forward, and it just failed again. If the Sox do decide to bring him back, I can't see anyone trading for him in the off season. If the Sox really think they are dealing him in the offseason, I see no reason to think it will be for much more than the could have gotten for him in July after he misses another 6 weeks due to another soft tissue injury. You might be right. The CF market is really bad though. I'm not sure what happens but they'll pick up the option. 1 hour ago, Tony said: But I think to the point James is making...him going down with another long term injury after the July 31st deadline had to be factored into some of their thought process. This is nothing new for Robert and the Sox. So if they decided to hold onto him after July 31st, it's either trade him in the offseason or have him play CF for the Sox in 2026, no matter what happens in August/September of 2025. Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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