hammerhead johnson Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 This is the K-Dub plan. You people need to embrace it. Jared Mitchell > Mike Trout Courtney Hawkins has 34 strikeouts in 57 plate appearances on the Single A level. EMBRACE IT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I love the posters that only come out of the woodwork to b**** about the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 12:55 PM) This is the K-Dub plan. You people need to embrace it. Jared Mitchell > Mike Trout Courtney Hawkins has 34 strikeouts in 57 plate appearances on the Single A level. EMBRACE IT I won't complain about a very raw prospect like Hawkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 03:25 PM) Because they do. They have no patience and bad talent on the MLB squad. I swear the opposition is ALWAYS batting, because the Sox go 1-2-3 so often and when they do get runners on they don't work the count. I couldn't believe how fast the Sox went out the other night in an inning they actually scored a run. If I'm not mistaken it was the inning DeAza got on third, Kep grounded out and he scored and the next two guys were out on the first pitch. I was amazed. It was an inning like that if not that inning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 QUOTE (joeynach @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 10:43 AM) Thats awful, where did you pull this high leverage stat from though. I was actually referring to his periphrials and the eye test when I said he shouldn't be used in high leverage situations, but you found some sort of real stat? Fangraphs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 10:55 AM) This is the K-Dub plan. You people need to embrace it. Jared Mitchell > Mike Trout Courtney Hawkins has 34 strikeouts in 57 plate appearances on the Single A level. EMBRACE IT And it is very simple to sit here and second guess all the picks that didn't work out, without offering any of your own opinions when the decisions had to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 02:33 PM) And it is very simple to sit here and second guess all the picks that didn't work out, without offering any of your own opinions when the decisions had to be made. That's why the only reaction here to Mike Trout being drafted was "Well, the Angels sure do love outfielders, don't they". Because everyone here knew Mike Trout was the best draft pick in history, but no one wanted to say so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 01:21 PM) Fangraphs. What is the stat called? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (joeynach @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 01:48 PM) What is the stat called? Leverage. It's generally a weak statistic without a very significant sample size. EDIT: Sorry, you find it in splits. You can find it on B-R too Edited April 23, 2013 by witesoxfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Mark Gonzales @MDGonzales 18m Sox lineup not posted yet, but game notes reveal they're 4-6 in 1-run games, 1-3 in 2-run games; .204 BA, .174 RISP in last 10 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnymick Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 12:33 PM) And it is very simple to sit here and second guess all the picks that didn't work out, without offering any of your own opinions when the decisions had to be made. I wouldn't say Hawkins didn't work out. He is a 19 year old (one of the five youngest in his league) who was drafted less than a year ago. I would say he deserves just a little bit more time before we say he didn't work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 03:43 PM) Mark Gonzales @MDGonzales 18m Sox lineup not posted yet, but game notes reveal they're 4-6 in 1-run games, 1-3 in 2-run games; .204 BA, .174 RISP in last 10 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Just for giggles, why not lead off Gillaspie? Maybe go: Gillaspie, Keppinger, Rios, Konerko, Dunn, Ramirez, Danks, Flowers, De Aza Just mix it up a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 07:52 PM) Just for giggles, why not lead off Gillaspie? Maybe go: Gillaspie, Keppinger, Rios, Konerko, Dunn, Ramirez, Danks, Flowers, De Aza Just mix it up a little. I would guess they won't do that simply because Gillaspie's a relatively inexperienced rookie just getting his feet wet...and putting him in the leadoff spot would put more pressure on him. It's not for everyone, as we learned with Nick Swisher. He's not exactly a fast runner, and I think they would prefer to keep him 6-7 in the line-up so he doesn't have to feel so much pressure to create offense. As soon as he starts to press, he's going to get out of his offensive game, whatever's working well for him now. Better to leave him alone. If they want to change things up, then lead off with Danks or Wise or Tekotte or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 06:52 PM) Just for giggles, why not lead off Gillaspie? Maybe go: Gillaspie, Keppinger, Rios, Konerko, Dunn, Ramirez, Danks, Flowers, De Aza Just mix it up a little. Mostly because no one is giggling . Kepp , Dunn 8th and 9th. DeAza, Alexei, Rios, Konerko, Gillaspie, Ramirez, Danks/Wise,Flowers Kepp, Dunn . Bunch up the hot hitters as much as possible. Dunn out against all lefties. At least Danks or Wise will run well and put the bat on the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 (edited) Sox need to have a team meeting with Manto and discuss approach. These 1 and 2 pitch at bats have to stop. The team needs to get its head out of its collective ass hitting wise AND DEFENSIVE WISE and start playing baseball or it's gonna be a long long summer. --p.s. I would love for you all to answer this question honestly. Do you miss AJP? My answer is a resounding "yes" especially after last night's game-winning home run. The man is a winner by and large. Edited April 24, 2013 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 We got 'em just where we want 'em... Oh yeah... Just wait. Oh yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 10:07 PM) Sox need to have a team meeting with Manto and discuss approach. These 1 and 2 pitch at bats have to stop. The team needs to get its head out of its collective ass hitting wise AND DEFENSIVE WISE and start playing baseball or it's gonna be a long long summer. --p.s. I would love for you all to answer this question honestly. Do you miss AJP? My answer is a resounding "yes" especially after last night's game-winning home run. The man is a winner by and large. For a one year contract, yeah I miss AJ. And OMG I couldn't agree with you more on Manto. Where does he get off thinking he is above and beyond modern intelligent thinking when it comes to hitting. From day one there was a red flag. I remember him on 670 the Score essentially trashing the see more pitches, work more counts, value player and team OBP theory of offense. Nevermind, the ancillary benefits of such an approach such as driving up pitch counts, tiring the pitcher earlier (elevated pitches, bullpen earlier), or of course the idea of placing hitters in more predictable hitting friendly counts. I was dumbfounded KW approved this hire. Look at what his approach has done to Dunn in just three weeks worth of playing time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 QUOTE (joeynach @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 09:54 PM) For a one year contract, yeah I miss AJ. And OMG I couldn't agree with you more on Manto. Where does he get off thinking he is above and beyond modern intelligent thinking when it comes to hitting. From day one there was a red flag. I remember him on 670 the Score essentially trashing the see more pitches, work more counts, value player and team OBP theory of offense. Nevermind, the ancillary benefits of such an approach such as driving up pitch counts, tiring the pitcher earlier (elevated pitches, bullpen earlier), or of course the idea of placing hitters in more predictable hitting friendly counts. I was dumbfounded KW approved this hire. Look at what his approach has done to Dunn in just three weeks worth of playing time. But wasn't Manto also Dunn's hitting coach last year when he made his miraculous recovery from Greg Walker/Ozzie and 2011? Why would you try to change what has worked with Dunn for over a decade? It was like Walt Hrniak trying to get Sosa to hit like Frank Thomas...sometimes, you don't tinker with things. Or force everyone to adopt the same style or approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napa_soxfan Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 All about the offense. Pitching has been tantalizingly good, which is why there is still hope AND all this abject frustration. Imagine if we had just a slight uptick in any offensive category? We could easily be sitting at 500 right now with only a handful of hits. Gotta love baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 QUOTE (napa_soxfan @ Apr 24, 2013 -> 05:49 AM) All about the offense. Pitching has been tantalizingly good, which is why there is still hope AND all this abject frustration. Imagine if we had just a slight uptick in any offensive category? We could easily be sitting at 500 right now with only a handful of hits. Gotta love baseball. True. Sox are 4 games out already. If the Sox have another horrific 2 weeks or 3 weeks and drop 8-9 out and remain in last place, I'd say it's Ova and time to sell off anybody Boston or New York might want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 11:53 PM) True. Sox are 4 games out already. If the Sox have another horrific 2 weeks or 3 weeks and drop 8-9 out and remain in last place, I'd say it's Ova and time to sell off anybody Boston or New York might want. Fire sale in early May! Genius! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Apr 24, 2013 -> 03:34 AM) Fire sale in early May! Genius! Well, as someone noted...they need to time things right, and yet they can't hold onto all their pieces waiting for the perfect offer and getting nothing back in return at the trade deadline. But yeah, might want to wait until the last week of May or the first week of June to start really getting serious about going in that direction. Everyone remembers what happened in 2010...we were about one or two weeks from a massive sell-off before going 26-5 and taking over first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 11h Talked to Jordan Danks after the game and even he had a wrap on his right knee. Came from his attempt on the 9th-inning fly ball last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Yes, the White Sox miss A.J. That's a no-brainer. A.J. is a winner - the Sox need some of those. A.J. is a catcher - the Sox need one of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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