Sale loved throwing to Flowers, wonder how he feels about this

 

I'm sure he will take a better offense and chance of winning then throwing to flowers who's a hole on offense

This is all so weird. I guess i'll reserve judgement until it becomes known who is being added.

Sale loved throwing to Flowers, wonder how he feels about this

 

Based on how he performed last year, I think a new personal catcher might help

Well definitely didn't see this coming. Wonder what Hahn has up his sleeve...

OH NOOOO whatever shall the Sox do without the #2 pitch framer in all of baseball and Chris Sales personal catcher ?!?! HAHAHAHA BS like I've said all along on both counts.

I think it is Navarro. 2013 the Sox were handing the keys to Flowers. I don't think not pursing him them applies today.

Absolutely makes the most sense.

Flowers framing was ignored by you when you had his batting average on your mind, now it is the most important thing around. I liked his framing as much as anyone, but cmon man. It is Tyler Flowers. No one wanted to take him off Hahns hands for a 25 year old A ballet.

I've pretty much already addressed this in my previous comment, so I'll just link it up again.

 

I know it doesn't make sense in your world where you have to rigidly stick to your original opinion, but people are allowed to change their minds as new information comes out. I have been convinced by the arguments of the pitch framing advocates, and thus changed my mind as to the value of players like Flowers. I'm not saying I'm completely devastated he's been non-tendered, just that I probably wouldn't have done it (admittedly saying this before I've seen the replacement plan), or, if I did do it, would have non-tendered Avi as well.

I've pretty much already addressed this in my previous comment, so I'll just link it up again.

New information didn't come out. Flowers was known as a good framer when you were complaining about him. You just "change your mind" because the White Sox dumped him. A chronic whiner, now complaining Tyler Flowers is gone.

 

In the last 2 days people have complained the White Sox are selling an organ for charity instead of having it in a glass case at a ballpark they don't go to, and now the guy who rides Flowers is complaining they let him go.

Edited December 3, 201510 yr by Dick Allen

Flowers framing was ignored by you when you had his batting average on your mind, now it is the most important thing around. I liked his framing as much as anyone, but cmon man. It is Tyler Flowers. No one wanted to take him off Hahns hands for a 25 year old A ballet.

 

You touted his pitch framing more than anyone on here and always seemed like Flowers biggest supporter. You never seem to pick any side of the fence to stand on. Keep playing both sides of the fence ,Dick !

You touted his pitch framing more than anyone on here and always seemed like Flowers biggest supporter. You never seem to pick any side of the fence to stand on. Keep playing both sides of the fence ,Dick !

 

This is textbook DA, he's a bonafide troll.

You touted his pitch framing more than anyone on here and always seemed like Flowers biggest supporter. You never seem to pick any side of the fence to stand on. Keep playing both sides of the fence ,Dick !

I did. I also mentioned as much in this thread. But it is Tyler Flowers. He isn't the worst player in the world, but it isn't like his loss is going to cost the team titles. I have been pointing out Flowers wasn't the biggest problem on the White Sox. He does have his positives. Not playing both sides of the fence at all. I just don't froth at the mouth saying so and so is the worst all the time. They think they have an upgrade, fine by me.

 

 

If Feeky was running the team, he wouldn't have non tendered Flowers. He would have already been gone.

 

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...;show=&st=0

Edited December 3, 201510 yr by Dick Allen

This is textbook DA, he's a bonafide troll.

Right,

Lucroy is coming to the southside

Lucroy is coming to the southside

Is this just a prediction or do you know something that everyone else doesn't?

Lucroy is coming to the southside

Please don't tease us. It's just not nice.

Is this just a prediction or do you know something that everyone else doesn't?

 

Likely prediction.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/sortable...php?cid=1819098

 

According to WARP (Baseball Prospectus WAR), which incorporates pitch framing, Flowers was worth two WARP last year and ranked 21st in total defensive value in the MLB among all position players. This is my first time getting a look at this stat though, don't know how it compares to rWAR or fWAR.

Kind of surprised by this. I kind of liked the idea of a Flower/Avila platoon on paper. Others have beat me to it, but Lucroy is the catcher that instantly popped into my head as a potential trade target. I wonder if Milwaukee would be willing to trade him after the disaster of a season they had this year. Navarro is a slight offensive upgrade over Flowers, but he seems like a stopgap type of player for a position the Sox have zero depth at.

Edited December 3, 201510 yr by CWSpalehoseCWS

Likely prediction.

I don't want to sound like Bernstein and make baseless rumors based on "sources" But hearing through my buddy that the main sticking point to this deal going through is that the Brewers want Anderson. I guess we will all find out soon enough

I would be very nervous about getting Lucroy after his head injury last year

I don't want to sound like Bernstein and make baseless rumors based on "sources" But hearing through my buddy that the main sticking point to this deal going through is that the Brewers want Anderson. I guess we will all find out soon enough

 

That would be stupid of us to give up Anderson

Edited December 3, 201510 yr by BigHurt3515

That would be stupid of use to give up Anderson

This is exactly why I wanted catcher to be the last position we address. Way too expensive for its offensive production.

Can't say I'd be a fan of an Anderson/LuCroy swap.

I would be very nervous about getting Lucroy after his head injury last year

Agreed, we're also really not in position to sell the farm for guys who only have 2 years remaining on their contracts.

Jean Segura involved too?