Dick Allen Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 09:55 AM) Ventura Volquez Kennedy Medlen Young Duffy Jason Vargas (back at midseason from TJ) Zimmer The one thing they do have is some depth now... I know you love random pulled out of mid air made up percentages, sothat clubhouse convo guy said Vargas has about a .1 % chance of pitching for the Royals this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 10:18 AM) I know you love random pulled out of mid air made up percentages, sothat clubhouse convo guy said Vargas has about a .1 % chance of pitching for the Royals this season. They're certainly better off taking the insurance settlement and not pushing him to return at all this season. Edited January 16, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 This contract makes literally no f***ing sense. Why not use that $70 million to try to lock up one of their stars (Hosmer, Moustakas, Cain, etc) rather than signing an aging NL pitcher? I don't get it, but more power to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 09:11 AM) Should be interesting to see how Kennedy's stats translate to the AL with the DH. If he pitches well, the Royals gave him a good contract but if he doesn't the Royals are stuck like a pig. I guess that's the gamble though. Chuck Garfien @ChuckGarfien 40m40 minutes ago Royals reach 5-year, $70 million deal with Ian Kennedy. In his career against the American League, he's 6-17 with a 5.48 ERA. Did the Royals even do their research on him? This is a puzzling move... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 He sucks against the AL, but he does have a 1.50 ERA against us (in one start). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 10:22 AM) This contract makes literally no f***ing sense. Why not use that $70 million to try to lock up one of their stars (Hosmer, Moustakas, Cain, etc) rather than signing an aging NL pitcher? I don't get it, but more power to them. Cain just signed a two year extension but not into free agency because of his relatively older age. Boras will take both those guys into free agency no matter what...especially Hosmer since he will be Heyward's age. Edited January 16, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 10:22 AM) This contract makes literally no f***ing sense. Why not use that $70 million to try to lock up one of their stars (Hosmer, Moustakas, Cain, etc) rather than signing an aging NL pitcher? I don't get it, but more power to them. Because they need pitching and can't afford to pay much. That's why they needed to sign the second tier pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Kennedy will struggle in the AL. Thanks Royals for overpaying and giving up a draft pick for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 10:22 AM) This contract makes literally no f***ing sense. Why not use that $70 million to try to lock up one of their stars (Hosmer, Moustakas, Cain, etc) rather than signing an aging NL pitcher? I don't get it, but more power to them. Hosmer and Moustakas are Boras clients correct? No way they'd be able to re-sign them if that's the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 12:17 PM) Hosmer and Moustakas are Boras clients correct? No way they'd be able to re-sign them if that's the case. Yep. Most KC fans feel Hosmer will leave because he will be near to Heyward's age at the time of free agency and that Moustakas has a very slight chance of sticking around and not wanting to be closer to the West Coast. Edited January 16, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I get the logic, but man I sure wouldn't have offered that deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 The Royals are doomed after the 2017, will be fun to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 01:34 PM) The Royals are doomed after the 2017, will be fun to watch. I doubt they'd have the cojones, but wonder if they would be willing to move Hosmer and Moustakas after 2016 to avoid losing them for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 12:47 PM) I doubt they'd have the cojones, but wonder if they would be willing to move Hosmer and Moustakas after 2016 to avoid losing them for nothing. Given the Kennedy deal, I think they're going all-in the next two years regardless of the long-term consequences. Nothing would make me happier than watching the Royals be cellar dwellers once again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 That's almost what a small market team has to do...maximize the contention window and then bottom out and rebuild with high draft picks for 3-5 years. It makes more sense than trying to spend your way into contention every season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 01:15 PM) That's almost what a small market team has to do...maximize the contention window and then bottom out and rebuild with high draft picks for 3-5 years. It makes more sense than trying to spend your way into contention every season. Rebuild 3-5 years? I'm pretty K.C.'s last go around was like 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 lol 0.8 WAR last year and he gets $14 million a year for 5 years. This market... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 03:22 PM) lol 0.8 WAR last year and he gets $14 million a year for 5 years. This market... 3.5 fWAR the year before that and his strikeout rate and walk rate both improved in 2015 (he threw fewer innings which FG weights pretty heavily and his HR rate skyrocketed). I wouldn't have done it, if I were spending that money I'd have spent it earlier this offseason when there were better options, but there's some logic here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 04:16 PM) 3.5 fWAR the year before that and his strikeout rate and walk rate both improved in 2015 (he threw fewer innings which FG weights pretty heavily and his HR rate skyrocketed). I wouldn't have done it, if I were spending that money I'd have spent it earlier this offseason when there were better options, but there's some logic here. And an 0.6 WAR the year before that. And they gave him $70 million, surrendered the 24th pick in the draft,and are most likely stuck with him for 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 04:16 PM) 3.5 fWAR the year before that and his strikeout rate and walk rate both improved in 2015 (he threw fewer innings which FG weights pretty heavily and his HR rate skyrocketed). I wouldn't have done it, if I were spending that money I'd have spent it earlier this offseason when there were better options, but there's some logic here. 5 WAR over the last 3 years in a good pitcher's park. You can maybe argue he's an average starter. I don't think $14 million/year is necessarily the issue, it's the fact that they gave him $70 million guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Still surprised they didn't go with Latos. The connection to Dave Eisland from his NY days, the elevated K (9+) and missed bats rate, the outfield size and defense (compared to the SD trainwreck) behind him...those were the 3 main reasons. Still waiting to see how front or backloaded the deal is...will have a lot to do with how long he ends up in KC. Backloaded, more flexibility for additional moves this season and next...frontloaded, much better likelihood he opts out after 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Latos is a clubhouse cancer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/i...s-city-rotation. Crasnick's take "For sake of comparison, San Diego’s Petco Park was the 10th-friendliest home run park in the majors last season, while Kauffman Stadium ranked 25th." http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/i...for-ian-kennedy "Since the beginning of the 2010 season, when Kennedy broke into a major league starting rotation, he ranks 14th in the majors in innings pitched. That workload indicates some level of performance, although his Wins Above Replacement during the past six seasons (9.6) ranks 27th among 35 pitchers with at least 1,000 innings. He hasn’t posted a WAR of more than 2.3 in a season since his 21-4, 1.09 WHIP, 3.6 strikeout-to-walk showing of 2011." Fwiw, Keith Law was a huge skeptic of the deal as well. ROYALS PAY STEEP PRICE FOR IAN KENNEDY "There's more downside than upside here for the Royals, and even with the big revenue boost they should receive off their 2015 World Series win, they will have a hard time carrying a contract like this if it goes south and they need to spend more money to fill the same need," Keith Law writes. Analyzing Kennedy, Davis deals (Insider) In the end, it was all about insurance/protection for Medlen, Young and Duffy... Edited January 17, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Not much of a chance Kennedy will be opting out: $7.5 million in 2016 13.5 million in 2017 16 million in 2018 16.5 million in 2019 16.5 million in 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 16, 2016 -> 09:52 PM) Latos is a clubhouse cancer Proof? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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