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Digging deeper into this, I can't think of a guy on the Sox who I would rather see success for. From his incredible sacrifices to escape Cuba, to his dangers and perils he encountered along that trip, including eating paperwork to try to protect himself. The fights with the coyotes he had. Being away from his entire family, including wife, kids, and mom. Then fully embracing a strange town, team, and culture, and not only playing his best, but looking out for everyone he connected with. He could have easily said nothing and gotten traded out of Chicago during the rebuild, or even asked to leave with no one wondering why or holding it against him. Instead he begged to stay in Chicago, playing father and big brother to all of the kids who came before him. There is a lot of anecdotal evidence that the Eloy extension, the Yoan extension, and the Robert signing and extension had Jose's fingerprints all over them. This dude might have had more to do with the long term success of our rebuild than the front office did. This year he knew how big of a year it would be, so he came to camp ready, lost a bunch of weight, and showed up to camp in MVP shape, and led by example. Even if he isn't a Hall of Famer one day, or the guy who puts up the biggest stats in Sox history, he will be an all-time favorite for me. I think the part that warmed my heart the most was seeing the same guys who had been dead silent for over a week after the TLR hire, just come out and gush at Jose getting this award. And it was players of all races and creeds to, and not just the Cubans or Latinos. I have no idea how people could have a problem with Jose Abreu. He is the perfect contrast for what the White Sox way should look like. He does everything right. He is a great teammate, has an incredible work ethic, and is willing to share that with everyone. Congrats to Pito!

The DUI should be the only straw

She worked in the Sox FO in the 90s

Just remember, third time being caught is not third time doing it. He's a legit, HOF type guy. It's ok for him.

That’s genius but way too forward thinking for our FO. They are more likely to “let the market come to them” and then miss out.

Honestly wouldn't care if he didn't like me. Plenty of people on the internet who don't and I'm an idiot who gives people reason to feel that way by my rhetoric online sometimes. I def think it's unfair unless you've met me in person, but it is what it is. That said the whole tired act of "barstool is racist and sexist" is so goddamn stupid. Ask the many people of color or our CEO, CMO and CFO if they think barstool is racist or sexist. Then on the flip side, google some of the horror stories of shit that has gone on ESPN. Nobody says a peep about them being racist or homophobic It just annoys me to no end. Fuck off

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Jesus fucking Christ man. You've managed to compare a DUI to slavery. You took this WAY too far.

Because everyone benefits when people are able to access health care without difficulty. People who have illnesses, esp chronic ones, can get treatment to avoid things getting worse, allowing them to stay in the workforce. People who have health concerns can afford to take risks like starting businesses because they’re not locked to jobs by the health coverage. People who think they are healthy are not ambushed by huge costs when something goes wrong. When a pandemic strikes, people don’t spread things because they’re scared to get treatment due to the cost. People don’t die if the flu because they’re scared of the treatment costs, which we see every year - keeping them as productive members of society. Huge amounts of money and time are spent verifying that people qualify for health care, or denying it when possible - that money is basically hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, lots of it taxpayer dollars (think of the last time you had to spend a day calling your insurance to deal with a bill, someone was paid hundreds of dollars to process whatever issue you had). Generally it improves everyone’s quality of life, it’s the right thing to do, and there’s a reason why our health care system is by far the most expensive in the world per person - because we don’t start with that fundamental premise.

Thanks for linking. Very emotional. I have family in Cuba, never seen my grandparents alive. It’s incredibly difficult to leave people you love with a strong chance you’ll never see them again. Jose hit his forehead at the end, very mixed emotions for him, bittersweet. Hope he can one day find peace and reunite with his parents and family.

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Having a parent who had multiple DUIs, including taking his own kids along for trips where he definitely didn't get busted while driving drunk with us? Fuck yes I would. He was an alcoholic who endangered people's lives for decades. I would have had zero problems with a company telling him that they couldn't responsibly employ him as a danger to everyone around him. He was an addict. The only time he wasn't drinking was when he couldn't afford to, so his not working for long periods of time was actually some of the times in his life he was most tolerable to be around. He wasn't nearly as aggressive, violent or abusive when he was sober. He was at his worst when he had a high paying job, expense account, and a company car. Again he could do whatever he wanted, and mostly did, but there is no obligation for someone to attach themselves to that trainwreck and enable it continue under their watch.

That is up to TLR and has absolutely nothing to do with him being a Mgr of a White Sox. PERIOD. TLR collecting checks from White Sox can be something as a Sox fan you don't like, but that isn't the driving force behind TLR choosing to get behind a wheel impaired or not. That choice is TLR and TLR's alone. Now if White Sox enable him and are pushing drinks his way and not supporting him to be in programs or whatever else, totally different story. Reality is - we can disagree with Sox choosing to hire TLR despite the recent DUI, but most of you already concluded TLR was a racist who wasn't going to change the game. I don't know how or why or where it came to those ways that so many people jumped to such extreme conclusions out of the gate - but they did. They took pocketed quotes to assume x, y or z and kept following the narrative that aligned to their opinion (not unusual - confirmation bias at its finest) and ignored lots of other data points...because they made up there mind. None of us actually know what TLR and JR said when this came out and how TLR said it. Did he go, Jerry I fell off the wagon a second time or third time or whatever it was back in February, since than I've been in a program and am 100% clean. JR could have said - that was the wrong decision and you can not make those choices but I appreciate the fact that you've been transparent and are in a program and point blank, there will be zero tolerance for any F-up's. No other chance. We are committing to helping you through the program and will ensure we partner to do that. The point is - none of us know. The Sox blew it and everything else - but everyone out here getting all pissy is spending a lot of time looking for confirmation bias. If it was your sister or brother or best friend who got their 2nd DUI. Would you be calling their employer and saying they should be fired from their job - or would you be there trying to help them get the problem fixed so they never had to deal with it again.

by the way I actually got a talk this week from an aerosol particle dispersion expert if you’d be interested in how much air is being exchanged from one person to another.

Based off of what Abreu said today, Tony is going nowhere. I’ve moved on from hoping he quits to now just following offseason transactions.

At least until Tony gets fired, yes.

Typically I would agree, but DUIs are pretty cut and dry, and the evidence points to him being above the limit and a jagoff.

I literally said TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER. The point is people ARE willing to make economic decisions that will hurt people, for pure reasons. This is a normal and common activity, and there is nothing wrong with it. False equating the burden being on people making the decisions, instead of people who are supporting illegal and immoral activities through their employments is the full issue here.

What does this mean? He submitted to a blood test via a warrant 3.5 hours after his DUI stop and he was still over the legal limit. Who are you to tell anyone how important an issue is to them; especially an issue causing 10,000 unnecessary deaths a year.

This made me laugh when I saw it last night. What didn't make me laugh was reading that south side sox article earlier in the thread. Whoever wrote that has no idea wtf he's talking about and is a total dickhead

Its likely not close to enough. But if there was a trade I'd give up Vaughn in, this would be it.

Why do we need to limit the message of "progressives" to defund the police though. I think if they stick to policies that actually help you as a worker that message will resonate with most even if they don't want to admit it. You want you healthcare? You want a livable wage? You want to build for the future? Back them up with policy and the democrats would actually have a message instead of their do nothing and claim the other side is bad. People are desperate and if dems sounds like repubs which they do quite frankly, just vote for the repub. I would.

Can I ask why id call my local government representative to complain about a team I follow hiring a drunk who loves to drive impaired? No idea how this thread has devolved to this point, but thats a weird turn.

What he did was already illegal? And gonna spitball this, maybe people feel there is a difference between "I want Tony Larussa to go to jail for a long time" and "I don't think the white sox should employ someone who has broken an important law more than once to one of the most sought after, public, and replaceable positions in their organization"

"Hello, Representative? I think we should make driving while intoxicated illegal!"

This is a real bad take. This has to do with his egotism and failure to realize he has a problem. We all knew he was a drunk, but another bad decision by him and ultimately Jerry has made this so much worse for the look of the Sox organization

Key word there is legit. But at least those guys didn’t continuously break the law. Tony breaks laws and is an awful person.

Actually quite the opposite. I'm not for a minimum wage, I'm for a livable wage, which is generally much higher. I'm picking the working class in this and you think I want to shit on people seeking minimum wage. Where the hell is that logic? I'm suggesting we punish the fuck out of Larussa without screwing over the guys working for a paycheck. You want to screw over the working guys in hopes it will punish JR and Tony. Whose fighting for regular workers?

We should at least look at the entire quote, which was... "At the same time, I'm really excited to have the chance to play for a manager like Tony La Russa. I think we have to wait to see how this goes and just wait. I can't really say much about it, but I'm excited to have a manager with the history that Tony has."

Ron!!

I liked Ricky but he got a lot of flack for trusting his gut too much. I’m excited that LaRussa’s gut is going to be based on decades of managing men in high pressure situations and being able to read the players and the game, on top of a bed of the captain obvious analytics. I think the players are going to love playing for him. Glad he didn’t hurt anybody and I hope the law does what it’s supposed to do. Hopefully he comes out of this better and ready to kick some AL butt.

You keep saying this, but it isn't true. Jerry is putting HIS moral compass over the possible well being of everyone who could die or experience losses because of Tony's being an employee of the Chicago White Sox. Jerry his putting his moral compass of potentially employing TLR, even if it means he fires other people to make it work.

It's so easy to say "short term pain, long term gain" when you can de-humanize the people it affects. Understand that, given the current landscape, most of everyone who is getting laid off in sports right now will not be able to find another job in the industry, despite having sacrificed substantial amounts of time and income to get where they are. These jobs are flat out disappearing. I'm not saying you can't argue that you're doing the right thing -- but I don't think you're putting adequate weight on what TexSox is pointing out: that you seem to be very willing to throw a ton of people's livelihoods under the bus to send a message to a couple rich dudes who are just doing this as a hobby at this point -- which I don't read to be your intention at all. And this isn't at all to argue that the org isn't completely in the wrong, and that you shouldn't try to tell them, but we should all be thinking hard about what the actual net consequences are for what we're threatening.

But why would Springer’s agent agree to anything until hearing from Mets

June 22nd the entire state of Indiana recorded 210 new cases. Today (my home county of about 100k people) LaPorte County collected 143 new cases, BY ITSELF. The state of Indiana recorded 6591 cases.

“As Tony La Russa’s attorney said in his statement, Tony deserves all the assumptions and protections granted to everyone in a court of law, especially while this is a pending matter. Once his case reaches resolution in the courts, we will have more to say. The White Sox understand the seriousness of these charges.” -White Sox statement I am puzzled by this statement. Why are the Sox putting so much weight on the final disposition of his case? I'm wondering if they have some reason to believe he will get off. Thinking through the scenarios, it seems that if they were planning to hire him regardless of the outcome they would try to make that clear now to head this off, rather than making a statement like this that drags it out and heightens the drama of the ultimate legal disposition. Having made this statement, if he's convicted and kept on it would beg the question why they waited to announce their intention in the first place. On the other hand, if they're seriously thinking of firing him if he's convicted, and believe there's a decent chance of that happening (which the *public* information suggests), they'd never have hired him in the first place, or might just cut ties with him now. To me this statement telegraphs confidence in a positive legal outcome. Then again, maybe there is no master plan and they're just punting on this to get through the news cycle in front of them. Would be really short-sighted, but it's possible.

Of course they can protest anyway they want. I'll defend their right. I can also point out when a protest is ineffective and potentially damaging to the very thing you are trying to fix. JR's income isn't changed by sponsors pulling out. The team just pulls back from signing any free agents and moves on. TLR isn't punished either. Even firing him isn't going to stop him from driving drunk. He wasn't managing when he got his second. So sponsors pull advertising. JR still is part owner of a very nice monopoly, TLR goes back to his estate and continues retirement, and a couple reps take a hit in commission and the team doesn't sign any players.

Which gives Biden 306 electoral votes which we have been told for 4 years is a landslide of historic proportions.

Maybe I just want to see them get obliterated before I assume. I just think it's funny how people like Kasich claim the "far left" (whatever that means) almost cost Joe Biden the election when the evidence is contrary to that. I get that people are scared of big change but IMO it's long overdue. People are suffering out there and without bold legislation, the cycle of our failed state will continue. Democrats should have been able to punch their ticket to senate but yet the likes of Graham, McConnell and Collins cruised to re-election... Why is that? Maybe name calling and saying I'm not Trump doesn't resonate with as many people as they thought. I agree the DNC needs to hire a top tier marketing firm to brand their ideas because whoever it is now has been failing at their job miserably. You can't even get the DNC to unite against a candidate like Trump. That speaks volumes.

Take it a step further? This is a discussion about how to punish someone for a wrongdoing. I believe enslaving people was a much greater issue to society than how to punish someone for a DUI. There is a punishment system in our country. I want him fully punished to the extent if the law. I am not willing to fight a civil war and have millions die because he had a DUI. But I would be to end slavery. I am actually outraged you could even put slavery and DUI on the same level. Edit to add: Now that I understand the point that SS2k5 was making I would like to add his point is valid in that there are situations where workers are being exploited and it is bad the support those businesses. Economic pressure does make sense and I would support protests in those situations.

Driving while drunk is already a crime, and in Arizona it's a crime enough so that La Russa could easily spend a day in jail. I believe the thought process in making the laws more damning - as they did in Arizona - is that it will cause ramifications in ones life that would cause them to think twice before doing such an act. It's not Arizona, or any other states fault, that those ramifications didn't take place in this situation because Jerry Reinsdorf didn't give a shit. So fans are doing exactly what they should do if they feel strongly about it; they're speaking with their wallets, which in this broken greed-centric capitalistic society we have been forced to participate in is the only power a consumer has. People citing that "innocent" people could lose their jobs and etc is complete nonsense. The Sox print money - as do all professional sports teams - and if they chose to fire employees because fans were pissed that they gave power to a Morris Buttermaker and boycotted their decision, that is 100% the fault of management and ownership who neglected what their supporters felt was right, and chose an immoral stance over the moral one. Blaming someone who is standing on principal over the person who is standing by cronyism is complete nonsense.

By that logic we should have an option whether we want our tax dollars to go to the military. I'm sure plenty of people would opt out of that.

I just can't get on board with this line of thinking. Jerry has denigrated his fane base for 40 years. That's why the Sox have perpetually low attendance. The numbers of employees is lower than it should be, and incentive based jobs like ticket sales are lower producing than they could be, because of his actions. Not putting pressure on him because it may hurt a weaker than it should be sales office is akin to giving up. The pressure people are talking about may end up in what, season ticket losses in the hundreds? How many job losses do you anticipate that will result in? If Jerry gave a shit about his fans and average attendance went from 20k to 30k, what would that do for areas like the ticket sales office? How many more advertisers would want to join if they were a more successful team with a packed park? If you care so much about those people, you should care more about what Jerry is doing and pressure him to change. Accepting the status quo is doing more harm than good for the people you think you are protecting.

Fucking truth.

You've somehow let a Billionaire owner convince you that he has no autonomy, no free will, no choice in this matter. He does. If fans put enough pressure on sponsors, they'll tell him the Larussa is bad for business right now, so they are terminating the deal until he's gone or until a couple of years go by and it all blows over. He then has a choice, a legitimate choice with a glaringly obvious answer - fire larussa or suffer revenue losses. If he CHOOSES to take losses (a stupid, selfish, and irrational choice) and then CHOOSES to fire every other employee except Larussa, that is on HIM, and only him! Your argument is like saying we can't put someone in jail because their innocent family will starve to death if they choose not to work. Your argument is like telling someone who got sucker punched not to fight back or its their fault that they got in a fight. Your argument is exactly the same one billionaires use (and spend millions on amplifying) to paint workers going on strike as the villains. Its bullshit, its bootlicking, and, unless you are a Billionaire yourself, its counterproductive to your own success.

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