hi8is Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ May 20, 2017 -> 12:39 PM) Not exactly Yea... the Red Sox paid all of the luxury tax and all of Moncadas 31.5m contract and took on all of Sale's money. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/red-...chris-sale.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ May 20, 2017 -> 12:41 PM) Not really Yes, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Yes Red Sox paid the entire salary and penalty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ May 20, 2017 -> 02:42 PM) Yea... the Red Sox paid all of the luxury tax and all of Moncadas 31.5m contract and took on all of Sale's money. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/red-...chris-sale.html Right. Most of the bonus money was already paid. The penalties / taxes are the Red Sox responsibility. I don't think they literally send the Sox that money. I think it remains their responsibility. They probably did send the Sox the money that was still owed to Moncada out of his bonus, however much that was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 It's real folks. Chris Sale = Yoan Moncada, Luis Robert, Michael Kopech, Luis Alexander Basebe, Victor Diaz That's huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Lets all celebrate, Luis Robert is ours!!!!! Well done front office and ownership for luring the big fish we needed so badly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ May 20, 2017 -> 02:42 PM) Yes, really. No. Any money the Red Sox sent to the White Sox was to cover the remaining ~1/3 of Moncadas bonus that was still due (to Moncada). The remainder of bonus was already spent and the taxes are the Red Sox responsibility. This money to sign Robert didn't come from the Red Sox, which is what you appear to be insinuating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Really excited for some first hand accounts soon. Going to guess he gets every opportunity in CF so I'd guess kanny in a few weeks. Prior to this, we basically had to have Basabe pan out or get one in a trade. Have one big bullet in the chamber now. That's how bullets work right? You put bigger ones in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScootsMcGoots Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 So, 19 year old who hit .400 in Cuba's last Series Nationale. Obviously he will be in the minors at some point this season...does anyone have any information or any educated guesses as to which league he will start in, and even though he is only 19, how far away is he from the majors? Is this even close to a Mike Trout situation where Trout hit the bigs when he was 19 years old? Or too early to tell? I know I remember some international scout saying Robert was the "best player on the planet"...just wondering how much of this hype is actually true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Out of curiousity...what does MLB do with the taxes they'll collect on a signing like this? Is this what is distributed back to the smaller market teams via revenue sharing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ May 20, 2017 -> 02:42 PM) Yea... the Red Sox paid all of the luxury tax and all of Moncadas 31.5m contract and took on all of Sale's money. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/red-...chris-sale.html So like $10 mill like I said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ May 20, 2017 -> 12:46 PM) Right. Most of the bonus money was already paid. The penalties / taxes are the Red Sox responsibility. I don't think they literally send the Sox that money. I think it remains their responsibility. They probably did send the Sox the money that was still owed to Moncada out of his bonus, however much that was. Ok... so... Moncada cost for White Sox = 0 Sale contract off books for White Sox = -38m Kopech cost for White Sox = -1.5m Robert cost for White Sox = ~45m Sale + 6.5m = Moncada ( 0 ), Robert ( 0 ), Kopech, Basabe, Diaz All I'm saying is that the Sale deal positioned us for this and it should be accounted for when evaluating the deal in the next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) Sale deal has nothing to do with this deal. Sox weren't sent money. The tax and bonus owed to Moncada was on Red Sox. White Sox wouldn't have to pay remainder of bonus anyway. That's not really agreed to. That's Red Sox obligation. Edited May 20, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 QUOTE (Scoots @ May 20, 2017 -> 02:50 PM) So, 19 year old who hit .400 in Cuba's last Series Nationale. Obviously he will be in the minors at some point this season...does anyone have any information or any educated guesses as to which league he will start in, and even though he is only 19, how far away is he from the majors? Is this even close to a Mike Trout situation where Trout hit the bigs when he was 19 years old? Or too early to tell? I know I remember some international scout saying Robert was the "best player on the planet"...just wondering how much of this hype is actually true. His potential is huge, but I wouldn't hold my breath on seeing him in the majors or thinking the Sox got the Cuban version Mike Trout. He's going to be raw, but the talent is there for him to be a impact core player for when the Sox decide to go on a playoff run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 "Effectively... Chris Sale = Yoan Moncada, Luis Robert, Michael Kopech, Luis Alexander Basebe, Victor Diaz " That is a good way to think about the Sale trade. Kudos to Jerry Reinsdorf, Kenny Williams Rick Hahn, and everyone on our international scouting team that helped get this done. Don't stop now boys ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Let's just give it to him and move on. The 2019 Sox will have some serious speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ May 20, 2017 -> 02:50 PM) Out of curiousity...what does MLB do with the taxes they'll collect on a signing like this? Is this what is distributed back to the smaller market teams via revenue sharing? I actually read about this but I can't remember for the life of me. Want to say some percentage goes to players union other to operating budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ May 20, 2017 -> 12:54 PM) Sale deal has nothing to do with this deal. Sox weren't sent money. The tax and bonus owed to Moncada was on Red Sox. White Sox wouldn't have to pay remainder of bonus anyway. That's not really agreed to. That's Red Sox obligation. Yea, I disagree. We cleared almost the exact amount of salary from Sale that we paid Robert and we got Moncada for 0 cash expense. The Sale deal had a lot to do with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScootsMcGoots Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ May 20, 2017 -> 03:54 PM) His potential is huge, but I wouldn't hold my breath on seeing him in the majors or thinking the Sox got the Cuban version Mike Trout. He's going to be raw, but the talent is there for him to be a impact core player for when the Sox decide to go on a playoff run. Good to know...yeah, it will be interesting to see how he will handle our pitchers. What do you think of the possibility of a September call-up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 I was totally on the Dayan Viciedo train, having watched him in person and meeting him in 2009. I hope this isn't another Dayan Viciedo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ May 20, 2017 -> 02:54 PM) Sale deal has nothing to do with this deal. Sox weren't sent money. The tax and bonus owed to Moncada was on Red Sox. White Sox wouldn't have to pay remainder of bonus anyway. That's not really agreed to. That's Red Sox obligation. Exactly. Completely different situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 QUOTE (Scoots @ May 20, 2017 -> 02:56 PM) Good to know...yeah, it will be interesting to see how he will handle our pitchers. What do you think of the possibility of a September call-up? No need to rush him. He is 19 and has never played stateside. If he makes Birmingham this season, that would be crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChrisSamsa Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ May 20, 2017 -> 02:54 PM) Sale deal has nothing to do with this deal. Sox weren't sent money. The tax and bonus owed to Moncada was on Red Sox. White Sox wouldn't have to pay remainder of bonus anyway. That's not really agreed to. That's Red Sox obligation. But they got Moncada into their system without paying substantial any salary. That's a pretty big discount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Today is a great day! Love the aggression and keeps the Cuban Sox pipeline wide open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 QUOTE (Scoots @ May 20, 2017 -> 02:56 PM) Good to know...yeah, it will be interesting to see how he will handle our pitchers. What do you think of the possibility of a September call-up? Zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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