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1 minute ago, fathom said:

so in your view, 8/250 is total BS?

Yes. Its an attempt to get Philly to shift focus from Bryce to Manny, and shut out Sox on signing by “matching” their offer.

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its funny how the Sox are getting destroyed for there "low ball" offer. What does that say about the other 29 teams? I would be pissed that my team didnt offer that contract, so it goes to show you how pointless the tweet by olney was

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My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with a girl who saw Manny pass-out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it’s pretty serious.

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Just now, IowaPG said:

Yes. Its an attempt to get Philly to shift focus from Bryce to Manny, and shut out Sox on signing by “matching” their offer.

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9 minutes ago, IowaPG said:

I should add that KW is not involved in negotiations at this point. 

KW never handles the negotiations, especially on FA signings.  It’s always been Hahn or Jerry (for the big ones).

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Just now, heirdog said:

KW never handles the negotiations, especially on FA signings.  It’s always been Hahn or Jerry (for the big ones).

 

Not True. KW is always involved in FA and international signings . May not be the lead negotiater, but normally always present and opinionated.

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11 minutes ago, bmags said:

Sorry, my comment was snarky and not at you. Where I think NBA cap works is it effectively raised the salary for the median nba player. It did not help the superstar nba player. And, quite honestly in baseball I do think a salary cap would make the yankees even more dominant.

Baseball players would be better served imo to fight to cut team control to 4 years with a 5th year option tied to the average salary of the top 10 players in the position or something like that. Teams rightly don't want to pay for players as they decline, but that means they shouldn't get to underpay them when they are.

That would really hurt vets immediately but I fully believe middle tier players would do better after 2-3 years.

For the NBA, it's not just the cap but the max contracts. What could Lebron get in an open market with no caps or max? $80 mil a year? $90 mil? But he can only get $40 or so, which means he's losing a great deal, but mediocre or bad players are gaining more. And I don't see how a cap would help he Yankees, other than their pocket books. I think a cap would be basically a more formal version of what we have had of late - teams would spend big for top talent, and it would essentially come down to what percentage of their finite payroll certain teams would be willing to give to a superstar player. But the current system is a disaster for the players. It is effectively a cap, but with none of the revenue-sharing increasing their salaries annually.

But I agree with the rest of the stuff you said.

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Just now, IowaPG said:

 

Not True. KW is always involved in FA and international signings . May not be the lead negotiater, but normally always present and opinionated.

So if all this is true (I give posters the benefit of the doubt), the only way for the Sox to sign Manny is if the market total collapses and they're the last one standing at 25 mil?

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Just now, southsideirish71 said:

MLB channel is saying that the Phillies are looking to get Machado, Harper and Keuchel.   

 

 

Bartender, ill have a double of what MLBN is having.

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1 minute ago, fathom said:

So if all this is true (I give posters the benefit of the doubt), the only way for the Sox to sign Manny is if the market total collapses and they're the last one standing at 25 mil?

Do you really think the Yankees would have left the table if the offer was really 7/175 though?  

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6 minutes ago, Tony said:

Anyone crying about the owners or "market price" need to read this. 

The system is BROKEN and we shouldn't be giving owners a pass.

 

https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2019/1/10/18176833/manny-machado-bryce-harper-free-agency-value

Tony, been saying this since last offseason. The MLBPA team reps should be huddling to discuss removing Tony Clark from his position as chief negotiator. They really got bent over on the last round of negotiations. There aren't enough likes for this post. If there's nothing stopping them from going on strike during the middle of a CBA to negotiate a better deal, they should consider not attending Spring Training this year. 

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A tweeter's recap of Passan on Waddle & Silvy:

RT @kenkiebles13: @barstoolWSD @owemyself14 @MrDelicious13 @Soxsupporter1 @JeffPassan @soxmachine_josh @KenWo4LiFe He pretty much just said that arguing over 7/8 years is pointless right now because it is going to end up between 8 and 10 at a minimum of 30 AAV. All that matters right now is that the Sox definitely have a seat at the table and that can't be debated.

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21 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:

Why would it piss off the Sox?


Lets say in a hypothetical world the White Sox are really close to getting this done. Lozano/Machado arent happy they arent getting $300mil, but the market has shown $250mil is as good as it gets. In order to save some face, Lozano asks the Sox if he can leak their initial offer.

Why would the Sox say no?

Sox fans arent going to be upset that they got Machado for $250. They are going to be over the moon happy. Other teams arent going to be upset, because the leak was factual.

The $175mil leak helps no one. It hurts the Sox because its so low that it theoretically it makes another team jump in. And there is no way Lozano would want anyone to know this. 

So these theoretical teams then have specific guidelines for jumping in but also specifics guidelines for not participating and those numbers are between $175 M and $250 M ?

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4 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said:

MLB channel is saying that the Phillies are looking to get Machado, Harper and Keuchel.   

 

 

Scary thing is, the Phillies very well could pull that off.

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Which will arrive first, the final GoT season or a Machado deal?  Or Machado vs. another book from George R.R. Martin?

“Spring is coming” doesn’t quite work as a tagline in mid-January.   And SoxFest might be about as well attended as The Flock Of Seagulls reunion tour at this rate...

 

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Bucket (macsandz), rabbit, etc are legit and bucket only comes in from time to time on major topics (big trades in 2017 and Manny mania) but I have a hard time trusting a poster that swoops in 18 hours ago and starts posting like an insider.

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1 minute ago, fathom said:

So if all this is true (I give posters the benefit of the doubt), the only way for the Sox to sign Manny is if the market total collapses and they're the last one standing at 25 mil?

I dont know that for fact. Id be putting my foot in my mouth if i said that. I just know as of right now, there is not another team willing to offer an AAV near his 32.5m expectations. The pujols comp is a sticking point to the frustration 

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1 minute ago, soxfan49 said:

A tweeter's recap of Passan on Waddle & Silvy:

RT @kenkiebles13: @barstoolWSD @owemyself14 @MrDelicious13 @Soxsupporter1 @JeffPassan @soxmachine_josh @KenWo4LiFe He pretty much just said that arguing over 7/8 years is pointless right now because it is going to end up between 8 and 10 at a minimum of 30 AAV. All that matters right now is that the Sox definitely have a seat at the table and that can't be debated.

Good to know were definitely months away

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My sources have told me the latest offer to Manny is a non-roster invite to spring training and $100 Portillo's gift card.

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2 minutes ago, fathom said:

So if all this is true (I give posters the benefit of the doubt), the only way for the Sox to sign Manny is if the market total collapses and they're the last one standing at 25 mil?

And this was there plan going into this off season? The Sox FO can't even agree on Manny's value?

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1 minute ago, KnightsOnMintSt said:

Scary thing is, the Phillies very well could pull that off.

No chance unless they want to sit in the luxury tax forever

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1 minute ago, heirdog said:

Bucket (macsandz), rabbit, etc are legit and bucket only comes in from time to time on major topics (big trades in 2017 and Manny mania) but I have a hard time trusting a poster that swoops in 18 hours ago and starts posting like an insider.

THIS. plus gomez (who has a solid track record) and passan aren't coming off of 8yrs and gomez specifically 250mm. we need to chill out lol

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Just now, jenksycat said:

My sources have told me the latest offer to Manny is a non-roster invite to spring training and $100 Portillo's gift card.

Why offer him the $100 gift card if no one else is offering above $25???

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