ptatc Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 12:00 PM) If you are going to sign him for a year, why not just have brought Alexei back for $4 million? I did like the idea of bringing him in earlier this year, but I also thought he could probably play 3B. That is covered. Hopefully, Tim Anderson shows us SS is covered in 2017. I just don't know why you give up a pick and pay more money for Desmond when you had a guy who you could have brought back for peanuts. Probably because this would be a secondary option to improve the offense and Alexei didn't wait around (not that I would expect him to). If they do sign Desmond it's because they didn't get an improvement in RF they wanted. I would still expect them to go after Fowler, then move onto Desmond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I like Desmond, think he's a better long-term player than Cespedes...but I'm not sure of the fit with this current roster and Anderson lurking. If they do sign him, I wouldn't mind a high prospect for high prospect swap of Anderson for an outfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I so would rather just go with Saladino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruni Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 The White Sox love for flawed NL hitters knows no bounds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Dan O'Dowd really loves Desmond. He thought he would be the biggest value free agent signed this winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 From 2012-2015, Desmond was far and away the best SS in baseball in terms of fWAR despite a horrid 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 07:38 PM) Dan O'Dowd really loves Desmond. He thought he would be the biggest value free agent signed this winter. He absolutely will be. Cespedes has .2 more fWAR than him over the last 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 12:38 PM) From 2012-2015, Desmond was far and away the best SS in baseball in terms of fWAR despite a horrid 2015. I think his total WAR for those years is about equal to Cespedes. Of course he has been trending down before last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 07:40 PM) If they signed him, everyone would say "same old White Sox" but they'd be buying low for once instead of buying high. Desmond has an ugly downward trend and was terrible at the plate last year but he's still averaged 3.8 WAR over the last four years. His defense has gotten better annually. For comparison, Adam Eaton had 3.6 WAR last year. This is a player who was offered 100+ million dollar contract and was talked about as the best shortstop in the NL within the last year. I don't love his prospects but there's plenty reason for some optimism. Two things I have heard a lot about Desmond: - he really struggled last year as he put a ton of pressure on himself to earn a new contract after turning down $107 million - the cluster that was the Nats clubhouse hurt him and others, as many players on the Nats put up shockingly low WAR numbers in comparison to the career averages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 12:40 PM) If they signed him, everyone would say "same old White Sox" but they'd be buying low for once instead of buying high. Desmond has an ugly downward trend and was terrible at the plate last year but he's still averaged 3.8 WAR over the last four years. His defense has gotten better annually. For comparison, Adam Eaton had 3.6 WAR last year. This is a player who was offered 100+ million dollar contract and was talked about as the best shortstop in the NL within the last year. I don't love his prospects but there's plenty reason for some optimism. Can someone tell me why he has had this drop off, and why it won't happen again in 2016? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 12:44 PM) Can someone tell me why he has had this drop off, and why it won't happen again in 2016? Because he sucks but he is better now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 07:49 PM) Seems like the Sox are really positioning themselves to beat positional averages. There were three middle infielders in all the AL that hit 20 HRs or more in 2015. If the Sox got 40 from Desmond/Lawrie (very possible if both stay healthy) they would likely have the most thunderous middle infield in the AL. You're looking at 100 homers from the infield possibly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:44 AM) Can someone tell me why he has had this drop off, and why it won't happen again in 2016? Steroids and he's going back on the juice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) Desmond was similar to Alexei last year in which he was horrid both offensively and defensively the first half, but was pretty darn good the second. His k rate is starting to resemble Adam Dunn's. It was always high, but has been on the rise in recent years. But he does hit the ball in the seats which the White Sox need. When are they good when they don't hit home runs? Edited January 22, 2016 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 12:49 PM) Seems like the Sox are really positioning themselves to beat positional averages. There were three middle infielders in all the AL that hit 20 HRs or more in 2015. If the Sox got 40 from Desmond/Lawrie (very possible if both stay healthy) they would likely have the most thunderous middle infield in the AL. Are you saying the Sox are interested in signing him, or is this more of a what if? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 12:54 PM) Sox are interested. Okay. Thanks. I could like the idea provided he's cheap. And based on what you've been saying, he could be relatively cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 12:57 PM) Okay. Thanks. I could like the idea provided he's cheap. And based on what you've been saying, he could be relatively cheap. With the lack of contending teams needing a SS and the QO attached, the chances for getting him relatively cheap are high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 That's why they're saying he's flexible in moving to the OF. If he can also play other infield positions and LF, his market may be stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 If the Sox signed Desmond, I would imagine Saladino or Sanchez would become part of the bait to lure an OF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 12:49 PM) Seems like the Sox are really positioning themselves to beat positional averages. There were three middle infielders in all the AL that hit 20 HRs or more in 2015. If the Sox got 40 from Desmond/Lawrie (very possible if both stay healthy) they would likely have the most thunderous middle infield in the AL. Really agree with this. I believe even ahead of big three, desmond and Jackson (and span) were only players that had a good probability of outperforming their contract. Desmond costs a pick, but if you sign him for a 2 year deal and he has a dynamite year, you can get good value out of trading him. OTOH, if he's himself last year, this is likely to be an affordable contract which we could still move for the same reasons we signed him (somebody will think he'll bounce back). That said, would like if we tried Saladino plus Jackson. But Desmond, considering the lack of market, seems like a good value candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 01:03 PM) That's why they're saying he's flexible in moving to the OF. If he can also play other infield positions and LF, his market may be stronger. Yes, but playing those positions vs. him playing SS , decreases his value. And what if he is Hanley Ramirez in the OF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 01:03 PM) That's why they're saying he's flexible in moving to the OF. If he can also play other infield positions and LF, his market may be stronger. His defense would probably be pretty bad in the OF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 01:00 PM) That's what I was thinking and who even needs a shortstop? I just went through all 29 teams and couldn't find one team. Diamondbacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 12:51 PM) You're looking at 100 homers from the infield possibly I'd say 100 on the conservative end. They hit 100 last year with Desmond having a down year. I really think Lawrie can hit 20-23 in our park and Abreu should hit closer to 40 than the 30 he hit last year. I would guess somewhere around 110 total. Desmond - 18-23 Lawrie - 18-23 Frazier - 30-35 Abreu - 30-40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 01:12 PM) Diamondbacks? That's one. But they dont want to surrender a draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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