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When was the last time the Sox finished in 2nd place. If that's what he's trying to do he's failing at that.

See ya.

watching the white sox the last decade sure has been "perineal". cuz they play like taint get it get it

I pray to god if I’m ever on trial that you’re not part of the jury. All it takes is one claim from some douchebag for you to be 100% convinced of something.

I read something about a prominent person on the autistic spectrum the other day, and it mentioned how one quirk of theirs is that they have rigid adherence to their favored ideas. I see this with Jack all the time. Nothing can talk him down from an idea once he believes it to be true.

Do I think Jerry values his profit margin over the Sox winning? Yes. Do I think Jerry is intentionally building 2nd place teams? No way. That is a pretty stupid business model and Jerry isn’t a stupid businessman, like him or not.

Your pessimism is on Moan4Yoan levels annoying. Like my god, I get you have autism and automatically fear the worst, but you’ve become completely irrational and a total slog to this board. Posting ridiculously dumb rumors in multiple threads to feed your insane negativity is a new all-time low for you.

My skepticism isn't going to go away until they make the ALDS for 2 consecutive seasons for the first time in franchise history.

Reinsdorf would certainly be a perfect go-to guy for advice on how to build a 4th place team, after what we’ve witnessed during this past dreadful decade.

This is exactly right. JR plays the long game, where financial stability is paramount. We’d all love his way of doing business if he owned a widget factory and we were shareholders. But it doesn’t translate so well to the owner-fan dynamic.

Everything does't have to be black or white. There are shades of gray in the world. The Sox spending big money this off-season will greatly improve the chances of winning a World Series. But that doesn't mean they can't win one without spending big cash. There's a lot of talent floating around in this franchise now. One wouldn't be wise to have no expectations, or to give up on them already.

JR has said for many years that a winning team is expensive. Keep in mind that Forbes magazine said that the 2018 white Sox (which lost 100 games) were the 6th most profitable team in MLB. As long as the team payroll is low the white Sox franchise is a goldmine for JR and his investors.

Cripes, Jack. You can believe this unsourced absurdity if you want to, but you don’t have to insult everyone’s intelligence for wanting a bit more evidence on the matter.

I think Reinsdorf just got exposed here and a lot of you are in denial. If you look at the evidence objectively it points to this. Use your brain people.

Whatever. David Samson is a scumbag, so he's probably exaggerating what Reinsdorf said anyway.

Criticize? Pal, when all someone does is parrot the same negative nonsense over and over its nauseating. Being critical is fine. Being preemptively critical of an off season that hasn't happened is obnoxious. I was critical of the miss on Manny last year, I made a couple posts about it and then I moved on with my life. If something makes you so angry that all you do is feel negative anger towards them with such frequency that that's all you post about, maybe you should root or follow someone else. If something makes me miserable I move on from it. I advise others to do the same because it's really annoying to listen to someone tell you how horrible and angry something makes them over and over when it's their choice to follow them.

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The bottom line is Reinsdorf is not interested in pursing championships. And that should be clearly apparent to even his staunchest apologists. Finishing second is beside the point. The league played opossum in 2005 and gave him his one-hit, under-budget wonder. He hasn"t come remotely close since.

That's not being gullible, that's being skeptical. Nothing wrong with that

You're right. He's not even aiming to finish as high as second. He's learned how to make boatloads of cash without being perineal contenders.

Kenny Williams ranting repeatedly on air during spring training about how unreasonable the fans were to label them cheap just because they said they'd spend money and then didn't. Steve Stone insulting the fans saying they just don't understand what they're doing. RR being asked a standard question about what he does to take new information from analytics into account and publicly telling reporters that they should "F*** off". That doesn't even count Rick Hahn's "Friends and family plan" last offseason or bragging publicly about how he was going to add a "middle of the order bat" at Soxfest in January before...not. No other billion dollar business would ever behave like this. In 2016 the lack of professionalism came from the locker room and a manager that spent years not caring. This year, the front office was an embarrassment, to the same level as 2016. Rant after rant after rant and no discipline whatsoever. Shut your mouth you're being paid 7 figures to act like professionals, don't act like 5 year olds. Not even United Airlines is this poorly run that they'd spend an entire year screaming about how their customers just aren't smart enough to understand their business model. Maybe AT&T.

Rinse and repeat.

I 100% believed that the owner wanted to win until today. Then suddenly things have changed. I'm not 100% on the dark side yet but I'm considering it because the way they ran the Sox for the better part of two decades backs up what that guy from the Marlins said. I don't know what to think right now. This is a plausible accusation. I think I'm going to wait it out over the next few years and make Jerry prove this guy wrong.

It was quite frustrating. The White Sox had winning teams from 1951-67, but never had superstars. The Mantles and Killerbrews were on other teams. And Comiskey Park was big and expansive and not a homer hitters park, and the team never really was explosive. Finally, things bottomed out when they lost the last five games during a heated 1967 pennant race because their offense was exposed for what it was-terrible. Even though the 1967 team contended, it was labeled as "boring." They lost the first 10 in 1968 and it has been a Cubs town ever since.

I didn't believe that until today. I mostly believed what CWS and The Sir believed, that JR wouldn't go into the red for a season or two and that he had to at least come out slightly ahead, as well as being incredibly risk-averse with contracts. Now, I'm not so sure. I don't want to believe this is true. Reinsdorf had to release a statement denying that he ever said this, and that he actually wants to win. Take that for what it's worth. Even if it is true, it isn't like he'd publicly admit it.

You never do. That's your argument, that some schmuck said this and they've been unsuccessful so it must be right? So every franchise who hasn't been successful over the last 3 decades is intentionally sabotaging? Yeah because the guy who said it is 1) extremely credible and 2) cited a great source when he said it, right? So that makes the evidence overwhelming?

Jerry Reinsdorf is 83 years old and still runs the day-to-day operations. Why in the hell would he bother to do that if his interest was limited to putting an 85-win team on the field to maximize profits? If he wasn’t interested in winning, he’d sell the franchise for hundreds of millions in profits tomorrow, or hire an executive to run the day-to-day operations while he drinks pina coladas on the beach in Miami.

This story is going to become a big issue in the Chicago media next week, especially with Bears having a bye week. Who knows, maybe it forces the Sox to spend more money this offseason.

In 2001 they had a cheap team with the #1 farm system in baseball and didn't do anything noteworthy. One of my favorite(sarcasm) White Sox things that they do is trade for a star player during their walk year. Wells and Colon fit this. They like to trade for 1 year rentals a lot. Hopefully they learned from Samardzija.

The flexibility goes away in 2021 though when guys start hitting arbitration. I'd feel a lot better if they could get Moncada and Giolito to sign extensions this winter, but idk how realistic that is.

But they've never been in this position before. So much talent and so much payroll flexibility at the same time. Unless you count last winter. But we all knew they weren't quite ready to compete a year ago. They are ready now with the right moves.

I'm not completely closing my mind to the possibility, but I won't believe it until it happens. Same as I thought last year. They have to prove me wrong. I don't necessarily believe they're going to go super cheap this winter, but rather they're going to sign a lot of B-/C+ guys. Guys like Odorizzi, Wood, Dickerson, Calhoun, etc. and maybe make a trade or two. Wheeler is the highest profile guy I think they'd be on.

There's literally no reason to believe this isn't true. They had multiple opportunities from 2000-2008 to put the team over the top and win more than one title and they never did it.

You're right, but they have to get really lucky. Lightning struck once, I'm not counting on it happening again.

FAKE NEWS, VERY DISHONEST REPORTING

I don't know why you think this is nuts. It makes so much sense actually. It's confusing to me why everyone doesn't believe this unless they are just in denial. I don't want to believe it either, but the evidence is overwhelming.

It all goes back to him being cheap. He doesn't want to spend like the Ricketts do or the Red Sox do. But he wants to win on his terms and dollars. That formula probably adds up to a 2nd place team in his head. But it's nuts to say he actually shoots for 2nd place. As CWS said above, he is risk adverse, but that just spins off him being cheap.

I think you actually might be insane. Also, why is he rebuilding right now if the goal is 2nd place finishes? That’s goes completely against your claim.

The evidence is there. It's overwhelming. Just look at the last two and a half decades of White Sox baseball and it's clear as day. It puts all of the absurdity and madness into context. Everything makes sense now that didn't before.

I think the Moncada prediction is wildly optimistic, but yeah otherwise that looks realistic. I would agree that this team will be helped quite a bit by not giving 1000+ PA to negative WAR guys.

It's frustrating that we're all resigned to the reality that our team is too cheap to go after top notch talent. With the lowest committed payroll in baseball, plus living in the 3rd largest city in the country - why are Cole and Strasburg off limits?

You're assuming 3 rookies will put up all star caliber seasons all in the same year to get anywhere close to 85 wins.

So you right about Tatis when he was a huge prospect? Well, that's dandy. If you're gonna say you were right about him, you better have been throwing shade in the trade thread. I'm sure you'll be able to find some posts. Iirc, there was only 1 poster on the entire board that really liked Tatis at the time. A lot of people didnt want Shields, but it wasn't because they valued Tatis. Didn't you say Puig was as good as Mickey Mantle? You went on for months and updated your own thread daily. I have no idea what Jose Abreu has to with that.

Holy shit. Hey man, welcome to Earth. This is obviously from a different galaxy or 4th dimension of hot takes. By any chance do you like to gamble high stakes but lose a lot?

Ban bet!!!

His posts are not even worth reading at this point

How will they trade Myers? Lol

@caulfield12 and @Dick Allen seem to think the Padres are in a better position for success over the next 5 years than the White Sox. OTH, I feel very confident that the White Sox will have more wins and playoff appearances than the Padres over that time span. This is not because of their respective young cores per se but the White Sox’ tremendous financial flexibility this winter as well as upcoming winters (rather than having blown their wad on Hosmer, Machado, Myers).

LOL. The Padres have $101 million committed to 2020 payroll before arb. The White Sox have $15 million committed to 2020 before arb. Important facts.

Stop with the trying to improve one position by weakening another one.