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Sox acquire Lance Lynn for Dane Dunning and Avery Weems

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1 minute ago, chw42 said:

I honestly would have preferred Musgrove over Lynn for a cheaper price. You get 2 years of control, he's much younger and can still improve, and he's been quietly very good for the past few years. 

His price might be just as high 

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3 minutes ago, chw42 said:

The Astros had his number. 16 of his 31 ER last season came against Houston in just 2 starts. 5 of his 13 HRs allowed also came against Houston. I wouldn't be too worried about his ability to pitch for the next year. 

Unless we play houston in the playoffs

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15 minutes ago, fathom said:

FWIW Portillos saying Musgrove is still an option.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PortillosHambu1/status/1336200112188616704

I've been increasingly skeptical of these accounts, but all 3 of the main ones seemed to be on point today. I'm still not convinced that they're all different people, but maybe they're all legit

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If they're not extending Lynn for another year or two I'm not a fan, and I don't even know if I'm a fan then, as Lynn probably drops off quite a bit over the next 3 years, if he even plays that long. I guess this buys you a year to see how Kopech, Lopez, Cease, Steiver develop, but odds are they'll just need to replace Lynn next year.

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10 minutes ago, fathom said:

What about a finish of Joc, Q, Hendriks and Flowers....would that be ok?

I really think this is all they NEED to do. Sure I’d love a big a sexy name, but I truly believe at this point all they need are competent major leaguers that prevent you from relying on, well..... Dane Dunning. 

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Has anybody even posted highlights yet? His fastball is his bread and butter, clearly. Still throwing 96 mph. Hopefully he can keep it that high at 34 years old. He's also obese. 

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1 minute ago, mqr said:

I really think this is all they NEED to do. Sure I’d love a big a sexy name, but I truly believe at this point all they need are competent major leaguers that prevent you from relying on, well..... Dane Dunning. 

It wouldn’t be the sexiest offseason but it certainly makes the team better than what they were in 2020.

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Just now, fathom said:

It wouldn’t be the sexiest offseason but it certainly makes the team better than what they were in 2020.

People are burned by 2015, which is fair, but fail to consider the list of good major league players in this core is literally already twice as long as the one they had then, and likely to got a fair bit longer. 

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Reinsdorf is never going after key marque acquisitions like Bauer and Springer.

The White Sox being run like a major market team in a market team will never happen with this ownership.  

 

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14 minutes ago, Vulture said:

I doubt there would be much complaint if the Sox traded him for a player with longer term control. As has been pointed out, Lynn could have an excellent a year and the trade still could easily be a net loss. If the Sox continue making trades like this for stop gaps, the talent pool will be depleted very quickly. 

I'm not looking for rip off trades.

I want in their prime free agent acquisitions commiserate with major market ownership.

By his own admission,  P.T. Barnum 2.0 is only interested in keeping the base yearning and thirsty.

 

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4 minutes ago, mqr said:

People are burned by 2015, which is fair, but fail to consider the list of good major league players in this core is literally already twice as long as the one they had then, and likely to got a fair bit longer. 

Let's say they sign Quintana, Hendriks, Pederson and Brantley. That's still not enough to get past the big boys. 

The Dodgers had the best regular season team in baseball for YEARS and they had to ADD the 2nd best player on the planet to THAT team in order to win a world series. 

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6 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Has anybody even posted highlights yet? His fastball is his bread and butter, clearly. Still throwing 96 mph. Hopefully he can keep it that high at 34 years old. He's also obese. 

Hes got the ideal male athlete physique. A real athlete needs that extra poundage to give them a nice reserve of energy to tap into.  

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15 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Has anybody even posted highlights yet? His fastball is his bread and butter, clearly. Still throwing 96 mph. Hopefully he can keep it that high at 34 years old. He's also obese. 

Rick Reuschel, Mickey Lolich, Wilbur Wood, Tim Lincicum. Which one got hurt?

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7 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Let's say they sign Quintana, Hendriks, Pederson and Brantley. That's still not enough to get past the big boys. 

The Dodgers had the best regular season team in baseball for YEARS and they had to ADD the 2nd best player on the planet to THAT team in order to win a world series. 

Building a team you can project out to 95 regular season wins is almost literally all you can do and hope for the best in the playoffs. 
 

The Dodgers odds of winning that World Series against a team with a payroll half that of the White Sox was still only a little better than a coin flip.

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22 minutes ago, Vulture said:

I doubt there would be much complaint if the Sox traded him for a player with longer term control. As has been pointed out, Lynn could have an excellent a year and the trade still could easily be a net loss. If the Sox continue making trades like this for stop gaps, the talent pool will be depleted very quickly. 

Sure but that long-term player would not have the pedigree of Lynn. Lynn has the potential to be a top 10 starter in the league. 

 

What you are describing is Yu Darvish. Similar age to Lynn with a couple more years on his contract. I would suspect the return for Darvish is going to be more than Dane Dunning and Avery Weems. 

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1 minute ago, kwill said:

Sure but that long-term player would not have the pedigree of Lynn. Lynn has the potential to be a top 10 starter in the league. 

 

What you are describing is Yu Darvish. Similar age to Lynn with a couple more years on his contract. I would suspect the return for Darvish is going to be more than Dane Dunning and Avery Weems. 

With a lot less flexibility. 

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The White Sox are a much better team going into 2021 right now and have improved their chances of contending for a World Series.

That's all that matters.

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26 minutes ago, Vulture said:

I doubt there would be much complaint if the Sox traded him for a player with longer term control. As has been pointed out, Lynn could have an excellent a year and the trade still could easily be a net loss. If the Sox continue making trades like this for stop gaps, the talent pool will be depleted very quickly. 

Dude, you hit the nail right on the head here. 

Nobody is mad they traded Dunning. 

Nobody is mad they acquired a pitcher as good as Lynn. 

People are mad that they traded 6 years of Dunning for only 1 year of Lynn. 

Dunning might not be shit, that's fine. But this trade was a horrid value and that's what we're complaining about. 

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14 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Let's say they sign Quintana, Hendriks, Pederson and Brantley. That's still not enough to get past the big boys. 

The Dodgers had the best regular season team in baseball for YEARS and they had to ADD the 2nd best player on the planet to THAT team in order to win a world series. 

I  guess we're screwed even if we sign Bauer and Springer since neither is close to a top two player in baseball.

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At age 34, I wonder if Lynn would take a 1-2 year extension now or if he would gamble on another great year. 

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1 minute ago, mqr said:

With a lot less flexibility. 

Agreed. Like the White Sox could still get Pederson and Cruz. Have arguably the best lineup in the league with the best 1,2,3 in the AL. People would be complaining on this board about having to give up Dunning.

This does not preclude us from being able to sign Lynn to an extension. What happens if he signs a 2-40 million dollar extension. 

All I am saying is the deal in itself is not bad. Now if the Sox don't do anything else then I am furious but let's see how this thing plays out. 

Also #firetony

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6 years of control means almost nothing when

a: there is zero track record of success

b: at least two of those years will be spent ramping up durability. 

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I like adding Lynn. But what are they going to do a year from now when Lynn and Dunning are gone? I guess they're gambling that Kopech and Crochet will be ready then.

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