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https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/white-sox-talk-podcast-rick-hahn-unplugged-live-remote-podcast Have not listened to it yet, but I’m sure this was covered. Definitely worth listening to. Nothing earth shattering, but here are a few notes: -Continued to say that any prospect is not going to be called up for instant gratification or fan complaints, etc. He said that they're not going to do anything to jeopardize the long term sustained success of the club. Take out of that what you please, but IMO, Hahn has been pretty crystal clear about this all along. He even made a funny comment that now everyone thinks he's an idiot because the guy he acquired is doing so well. -Don't expect to see Burger before middle of next season. -Was asked about under the radar prospects to follow and mentioned Luis Gonzalez and Alex Call. -Was asked about future RH relievers on the farm. Mentioned Burdi, Hamilton, Ruiz, Burr and Vieria. No mention of Fulmer at all, which I found interesting. Seemed like a good opportunity to touch on his move to the pen. He did break that Burdi will be pitching in the AZL starting tomorrow and he expects him to be there for the rest of the season. -They're going to continue to let Moncada develop as a switch hitter, but that moving to exclusively LH is not out of the question in the future. -The intention with demoting Hansen is for him to working with Zeleski. The two have previously clicked. -WSD asked about big time FAs and if the Sox will be in a position to spend $300M+ to acquire the likes of Machado and Harper. He did not touch on either of them specifically but said "While I cannot guarantee you that we will land any whale FAs, I can tell you that when the time is right, this club will be in a position to go down swinging." Mentioned multiple times that they know this club will need to be augmented by FA signings. -Mentioned prospect for prospect type deals to deal from an area of depth. Said he had a few discussion about them in recent weeks, but that they are tough to do during the season, but they may resurface in the winter. -Touched on Bryce Bush and how excited they are about him. They didn't think they'd be able to get him to sign, but that they were thrilled to be able to get him in the fold. Said he's a top of the draft talent.

This was NOT a good way to avoid getting those notifications.

Can we just ban this guy? He's ruining this board.

Maybe we should start making the reactions public?

It’s like your actively rooting against him. The hate you have for him is beyond creepy.

Moncada: 2-3, HR, BB *crickets* Moncada: 0-4, 4 K HE'S A TOYOTA COROLLA AND IS ONLY GETTING WORSE

No but it's pretty evident around here that you get off on whining about Moncada and tries so hard to get people so whine with you, and you put that over your fandom for the White Sox, which is questionable at this point. Your posts are negative in nature and do not carry any insight behind it other than constant whining about the same thing.

POTY.

You are insufferable

You mean like having good players?

are you seriously fucking suggesting they keep him down the first two weeks of next year for SUPER FUCKING 2 REASONS??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? WHEN THE CBA IS UP FOR NEGOTIATION in 2021? stay strong when the org is slapping me in the fucking face over some trifle? I'll slap the fuck org back and not pay any attention or spend any money until playoffs then.

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Let us turn this thread into the username conspiracy theory thread forever and ever

Hey, let's discuss username conspiracies and the post voting system, instead of interesting debate about what needs to happen so that our main return for the best Sox player in recent memory doesn't flop out of baseball in five years. Cool!

as long as you never make them actually rank/promote posts and turn this into the dumpster fire that is reddit

No, it’s a not legitimate question. Not one single GM would trade a 23 year old 70 FV grade prospect who put 2.5 WAR in his first 162 games for a 55 FV prospect. The entire premise is idiotic and borderlines on trolling. Do you have any idea how much career WAR a 55 FV prospect is projected to provide? Maybe around 6 to 8 WAR total. Yoan will surpass that in two to three years most likely. I honestly don’t know how anyone could propose something so ridiculous unless they refuse to accept Moncada in his current state isn’t a bad player.

It's actually pretty clear that Rick Hahn has been using his burner accounts to downvote and passive aggressively attacking Moncada.

I think you're in the wrong subforum.

Here is what people need to understand. In this phase of the rebuild, the team is going to be populated with the following. 1.) Prospects who have been promoted to the MLB team. They are developing and taking their lumps up here. They will look like Allstars one day, and like shit the next. If you plan on living game to game with these kids you are going to die of a coronary before the season is over. Relax. 2.) Fringe guys who were acquired via trade or waivers. These are lottery tickets. They may work out, they might be bench players on a future team, they might be nothing. They cost nothing and they are currently blocking no one so why fret over this. The minute one of these guys is blocking Eloy or Kopech wake me. Otherwise they are filler. 3.) Role Guys, same as above. Some of them are older. Everyone wants to trade all of them because of some value that maybe we only have. 4.) Abreu Relax and stop living day to day with this team. It's a big picture time. Some of these guys will work out. Some of them won't. The point of a rebuild is to get as many of these type of top end prospects to have a higher probability that multiple guys hit at the same time. I for one am up for the long term plan because watching the old around 500 team with the hopes of catching lightning in a bottle hasnt worked forever. Lets see what happens with this.

I have posts in other threads that have nothing to do with Moncada. You also need to look around a little. Anytime anyone brings up anything negative about Moncada they are quickly swarmed by a few select posters quickly coming to his defense and reaffirming the party line that everything is okay. The Sox have been selling this kid as a Porsche from the moment they traded for him. It's too bad that he looks like a Toyota Corrolla at this point.

Don't screw up this thread too.

I'm having difficulty seeing the process anymore. First of all we definately should have been more active in FA bringing in ML guys who have a chance to rebound. We really only made one deal that follows that line of thinking Soria where we easily came out ahead. Two, we didn't move the guys we should have Avilian, Cedeno, Frye, Abreu, Garcia (both), all should have been moved. Sanchez should have been moved. We should have been looking at acquiring distressed assets like Pham. Osuna. Look at what Hand went for we should have attempted to package Soria/Frye/Avilian with some of our guys to get a major prospect back. So far depending on what happens after the non-waiver deadline it's been a lost year. If the plan is to just suck without stockpiling assets and taking chances on other teams distressed assets we are going to be waiting for a long time.

Thank you kind sir.

You are back to normal Fox Mulder.

I just wanted you to know that I downvoted your post.

Looks like you are getting your wish. One of the mods here is playing around with my account behind the scenes it appears. My user name has suddenly changed. Very strange.

POTY

No. I'm saying that that question, in this thread, reeks of trying to get people even more riled up. Trading away Moncada is in itself not something that is any way realistic considering the circumstances. Even less so based on the fact that we would get nowhere near the return we sent out to trade for him in the first place. That being said..I realllly hope you were just being facetious to lighten the mood up in here a bit. That would make a lot more sense than actually bringing up the notion of trading Moncada right now.

I think sad & pathetic are better descriptions, but ultimately this is the internet and not too surprising.

I think these predictions have a much better chance of being accurate.

He’s clearly one of them. I speculate there are few others here who spend their day waiting for anything remotely positive about Moncada and eagerly hit that downvote button.

I wasn't arguing. We're all just a bunch of meatheads on a message board that want our favorite team to stop playing like shit. Moncada needs to stop leaving it up to the umpire, staring at strike 3... Also - Eaton was super fun player to watch when he was with the Sox. I just wish that Engel could hit his damn weight. He is also fun to watch play defense. Clayton Kershaw has rougly the same offensive stats as Engel. That's pretty damn sad.

Greg is still around? That dude is a legend

Haha

It is a perfectly legitimate question. We are in trade season, we drafted our 2B of the future and in Moncada, we have a recent #1 prospect who, in spite of his performance, might hold interest to certain teams. Are you saying that not only trading him, but even mentioning the possibility of a trade is too inciteful for this board?

It's pretty much him, FOF and Greg that do it the most from what I've seen.

The downvotes are all from Tom Party Longo and another of his log ins though. Nobody was down voting very much at all until he appeared.

This thread..ugh. Give it a rest.

I honestly can’t think of a more polarizing figure on SoxTalk in recent memory than Moncada. Pretty much every post that mentions him has like two likes & two confused faces.

Data shows a surprising campus free speech problem: left-wingers being fired for their opinions Where are all the free speech warriors who go out of their way to defend Nazi and white supremacists? Something tells me they were never really about free speech.

Prediction: Ronstradamus does not make it all the way to meme status and quickly fades away from memory for not being bold enough. 1) Abreu supporters continue to deride Ron for riding Jose’s ass as he ascends again statistically. 2) Ron continues to increase third person self-references.

Couple of quick points: 1) There is always the possibility for improvement, but Moncada’s Ks are worrisome. Being a star will be hard at a 33% K-rate. That has to come down, and this has always been the crux of my argument. 2) “Let them develop” is a fine stance, but let’s face it- our FO hasn’t really earned trust on this one. If I was a Cubs fan, sure, let them develop! Happ, Baez, Almora, Contreras, Bryant...all players on their current roster that were molded by that system into pretty solid MLBers. What proof do we have that this organization develops good hitters? I’m not exactly breaking new ground here. 3) It doesn’t mean trade them or demote them or whatever, but as a fan, can’t we have a Soto? Or even an Acuña? It would be nice if a guy just came up here and RAKED. We haven’t had that since Beckham, who promptly fell off a cliff. Obviously, Moncada’s got time to show his value, but there are valid concerns and some frustration is warranted. I’ll love this team ‘til my last breath, but they haven’t exactly exuded competence in the last decade.

No, people come to his defense because most of the negative comments make him off to be the worst player in baseball history and ignore the fact he’s a 23 year old still developing. Some posters here have a creepy emotional attachment to Yoan because he was the centerpiece in the Sale deal and are actually bitter he’s not an instant star. It’s frustrating to stand by as the vocal minority here talks about how he’s a bust, that he’s lost all his trade value, or how he’ll lose the job to Madrigal in a year. Most of us accept Moncada is not a finished product & must get better for the rebuild to work, but can also acknowledge he’s not a bad player in his current state despite what the small group of haters here want to believe.

Message received. Please don't forget to save me a seat at Moncadas hall of fame ceremony.

Nothing wrong with comparing them if the context is they are farther along in their development. Unfortunately you try use their current performance as proof they will always be better players long term which is quite absurd. And quite frankly, you bring up this point like once a day. We all understand your position that young plays are stars or busts after 600 plate appearances. At this point you’re either using this site as forum to whine relentlessly about a kid not being an instant stud or you’re simply looking for attention. Either way it’s really annoying and bringing down the overall quality of board. Why don’t you try bringing something new to the table for once?

What is wrong with comparing Moncada to his young peers at second base? People compare themselves to their fellow peers all the time. Is what I said wrong? Do you really think Moncada is a more valuable player than Albies or Torres?

Dude, do not ask questions like this around here. All thoughts, opinions,and questions about Moncada must only be positive and uplifting in nature. Moncada's value has cratered since the Sox traded for him. Hahn would get laughed out of the room if he tried to trade him one for one for a young second baseman like Albies or Torres. Former Sox castaway Alen Hansen is currently a better player than Moncada. That should tell you all you need to know. Hahn should have stood firm with Boston and gotten Bentintendi instead of Moncada but a bad gm is a bad gm.

Watch out, you might get a confused face with this kind of optimism with Moncada!

FWIW the thing that pushes Schwarber's D into the positive is the arm component, which is the hardest part to keep afloat in the long haul as runners wise up. And IMO Statcast has the best method for grading outfielders on their ability to catch the ball. It does not make Schwarber look good at all. This is of course an apples to oranges comparison because we know Yoan Moncada would be a better LF than Kyle Schwarber. And is Yoan getting better or worse on defense? It's hard to say quantitatively. What I will say is he had a run of bad errors that coincided with the depths of his batting slump. I think those kinds of things are the most easily corrected class of fielding problems. His UZR range component has been consistently good and I believe that to be the hardest thing to improve for an infielder — it's kind of like trying to get a guy to run faster. His double play component of both UZR and DRS has improved. I see some upside for an above average defender in Yoan, perhaps even better than that. He so far has struggled with committing errors, so the downside is that he's below average. I tend to think he'll be about average when it all washes out as he probably doesn't have the hands to avoid some simple errors but has the athleticism and arm strength to make up for it with good plays. Last, the idea that Yoan is presently *bad* overall is nonsense. If this Yoan Moncada is all he'll ever be, he's a middle of the road MLB player and could play up in a platoon in the right roster configuration. He's already better than Gordon Beckham ever was at 2B. By Sox standards, that means he has 4-6 seasons ahead of him before we close the books.