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Love to see Lee and Quero behind the plate into the 2030s! Sox Win!

Chris Getz looks like a 1980s teen movie villain.

That's part of the problem. All of a sudden after being Chairman/Owner of the Sox for over 40 years NOW he's worried about his legacy ? He's already had a long time to build his legacy , after all he's the one who created it. Oh you poor ,dear Sox fans, you're going to lose your franchise unless Uncle Jerry saves you. Let me translate that . I'm worried that my heirs will not be able to eventually sell the team for a massive profit unless they get a sweetheart deal which not only includes a new ball park but a whole White Sox based tourist attraction. I've driven away most Sox fans so the only ones left to exploit are tourists. No Sox fan trusts Reinsdorf to actually deliver on any promise he makes that he says will make the Sox more competitive. He's been in the easiest division to win for 4 decades and couldn't figure out how to do it. Oh in my declining years I've been visited by 3 ghosts like Ebenezer Scrooge that said there was still time to change my legacy. God bless us every one ! Thank you Jerry Reinsdorf ! Thank you !

Quero gives prospect fans some hope. See pitch hit pitch.

Micker measured in at 6-4, 235 Elko is 6-4, 250

Seby swung and missed at a pitch in the dirt. Someone in the crowd: "I remember that swing!" Nice hustle and catch by Moustakas!

Baseball is Life

Catcher of the future Edgar Quero wins it

Sox win! Nice hanging with you guys this afternoon!

Go away Maldonado and Stassi...we are set at C.

I love spring training late innings...just the oddest looking bunch of guys that will never see the big leagues.

This is a bunch of guys who will be playing in Charlotte

that's white sox baseball right there!

5200 attendance. JR may soon be asking Phoenix and AZ officials for new home so he can compete.

That's a good question. Elko is like a big country boy. Micker is maybe leaner (but he is a hulk).

6' 5" 240 if I'm remembering right from yesterday. Might weigh more .

No video for me....is he as big as Micker Adolfo? I remember being shocked at how big Micker is.

Elko is a big boy. I thought that was out.

Savings! Lee and Elko the heroes of the day. Not sure Payton will pass the defense test but made a game effort there.

DJ says with the correct turn, Colas could have caught, though not a routine play. Nice to see Sosa playing and cutting down the runner at home.

he came close his other two at bats...3 at bats, 10 balls. meaningless observation? probably. but after that walk I'll now be keeping track.

Jesse Chavez is 9 days older than Chris Getz. Dominic Fletcher is six inches smaller than Chris Getz. Kevin Pillar is 35 years old. .692 is his best the first three real seasons this decade. Mike Moustakas is 35 years old. .685 is his best the first three real seasons this decade. This is not a serious franchise and won't be until a person without Reinsdorf in their name is controlling the franchise.

Not for a team in a major market that was close to even with the Cubs until the late 90s.

A large amount of the money beyond the $1B for the stadium will go for infrastructure at the site. The big ticket items I've heard of are a Red Line subway stop at 15th and Clark, building a Riverwalk to connect the site to downtown, and realignment of the Rock Island tracks. So, it's not just running utilities through there. Those items alone will cost a ton of money (hundreds of millions I'm guessing), but will make the land more valuable for development regardless of whether the site includes a ballpark. IMO, realignment of the train tracks is a must if they ever want to fully realize the value of that property (even without a ballpark). Right now, you really can't access it from Clark St. due to the train line running right along the Clark St. edge of the 78 property. Moving and lowering the grade of those Metra tracks will be costly.

Harping on the lack of a $100M contract is a bit on the form-over-substance side. JR has still spent in the upper quartile multiple times. The Pirates' (and others') owners have not. They did offer Wheeler over 100M. And as clownish has Hahn's pursuit of Machado was, they did offer him over 100M (that dog and pony show said a lot more about Hahn than it did JR). The problem has been the FO's poor use of resources provided. While Getz is in the same lineage as KW and his sidekick Hahn, at least he doesn't have them looking over his shoulder. Now if those resources have been permanently ratcheted down, that's another story.

Well, the people who care will have some say in the White Sox getting a new stadium. Imagine JR announcing a $150 million extension for Dylan Cease, $250 million for Robert and $600 million committed towards the new stadium. The mood around the fanbase and about the stadium project would change dramatically, OVERNIGHT. For example, like one of the Dodgers’ principal owners (Todd Boehly) with Chelsea FC. Reinsdorf would not even dream of signing more than 3-5 similar players because he’s more afraid of what can go wrong rather than dreaming of what could actually go right. He is at the age where wealth preservation and risk mitigation supersede all other considerations. Imagine even those lowly Rays being willing to reinvest $650 million of their own money back into new stadium efforts. JR won’t publicly put in even a penny so far. Since then under Boehly, Chelsea have handed out seven-year contracts seemingly for fun and paid more than €1 billion in transfer fees for 28 new players -- a previously unthinkable sum of money for a previously unthinkable number of acquisitions in an 18th-month span. https://www.espn.com.au/football/insider/insider/story/_/id/39578180/grading-all-28-chelsea-player-signings-todd-boehly-analysis-data-billion#:~:text=Since then under Boehly%2C Chelsea,in an 18th-month span.

Burdick does have two options FWIW. Personally, I’d rather gamble on this kid as the weak side of a RF platoon than give Pillar the role. But I assume the latter happens, at least to start the season.

I mean, who cares? Haven’t we already established that Jerry sucks?

The best one is that three million in attendance will somehow magically make Ohtani and Yamamoto deals a realistic possibility…well, that’s just dumb because the Bulls are historically Top 3 in attendance and have signed how many true superstars since the Dynasty was disbanded? Zach LaVine’s the only guy (internally) signed to a massive deal and that’s already turned into an albatross contract. They let Butler go instead of paying him. Rose and Ball eliminated themselves with injuries. D-Wade is the closest but that was already too late in his career…like numerous HoF guys the White Sox have brought in during their final 2-3 seasons.

Public funds used for a stadium or arena can generate new revenues for a city only if one of the following situations occurs: 1) the funds generate new spending by people from outside the area who otherwise would not have come to town; 2) the funds cause area residents to spend money locally that would not have been spent there otherwise (opportunity cost) or 3) the funds keep turning over locally, thereby "creating" new spending. Very little evidence exists to suggest that sporting events are better at attracting tourism dollars to a city than other activities. More often than not, tourists who attend a baseball or hockey game, for example, are in town on business or are visiting family and would have spent the money on another activity if the sports outlet were not otherwise made available. https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/regional-economist/april-2001/should-cities-pay-for-sports-facilities#:~:text=Public funds used for a,that would not have been Scholarly econometric studies on the impact of professional sports stadiums are almost unanimous in their conclusion that they do not promote employment or per capita income growth (see here and here). Econofact

Getting revenge by us not ending up with a world class stadium and possibly losing the team? Again, you guys care more about Jerry losing than the Sox winning.

Holmes, the champion of Bridgeport. Bridgeport doing great, it just has 20% the population density of the Loop. Bridgeport has also done literally nothing to support the sox. I know dick thinks that's 100% Jerry's job but I'd disagree. Jerry Reinsdorf does NOT matter. If you're a white sox fan and care about the organization, this move is great. People fixating on Reinsdorf and his past are talking about irrelevant nonsense. The past happened, it's over with. This is about the future of the team, not Jerry's past shenanigans. This should be the one time every single Sox fan wants Jerry Reinsdord to win.

On Friday, Mitch Keller and the Pirates agreed to a five-year deal that will ensure he will have that opportunity to bring playoff baseball back to Pittsburgh for years to come. The deal will pay $77 million, making it the largest contract for a pitcher in franchise history. It’s the third time in less than 24 months that the team inked one of its foundational players to an extension, totaling over a quarter of a billion dollars guaranteed to Ke’Bryan Hayes, Bryan Reynolds and Keller. pirates.com Reynolds is 8 years, $106,750,00…and Hayes 8/$70 million. And if O’Neil Cruz has the season predicted of him AND stays healthy at SS, he will be the next to be extended into the 2030’s.

Putting a positive in this thread before it's mercifully locked away in the Soxtalk Archieves. Didn't see this highlight posted earlier, so here we go with Tim Elko's first White Sox HR, and John Schriffen's first home run call in his new full time White Sox announcer role.

In our forthcoming Brookings book, Sports, Jobs, and Taxes, we and 15 collaborators examine the local economic development argument from all angles: case studies of the effect of specific facilities, as well as comparisons among cities and even neighborhoods that have and have not sunk hundreds of millions of dollars into sports development. In every case, the conclusions are the same. A new sports facility has an extremely small (perhaps even negative) effect on overall economic activity and employment. No recent facility appears to have earned anything approaching a reasonable return on investment. No recent facility has been self-financing in terms of its impact on net tax revenues. Regardless of whether the unit of analysis is a local neighborhood, a city, or an entire metropolitan area, the economic benefits of sports facilities are de minimus. As noted, a stadium can spur economic growth if sports is a significant export industry—that is, if it attracts outsiders to buy the local product and if it results in the sale of certain rights (broadcasting, product licensing) to national firms. But, in reality, sports has little effect on regional net exports. Sports facilities attract neither tourists nor new industry. Probably the most successful export facility is Oriole Park, where about a third of the crowd at every game comes from outside the Baltimore area. (Baltimore’s baseball exports are enhanced because it is 40 miles from the nation’s capital, which has no major league baseball team.) Even so, the net gain to Baltimore’s economy in terms of new jobs and incremental tax revenues is only about $3 million a year—not much of a return on a $200 million investment. This was from a Brookings Institute study from the late 90’s…after the first wave of new stadiums around the country. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/sports-jobs-taxes-are-new-stadiums-worth-the-cost/#:~:text=In every case%2C the conclusions,a reasonable return on investment.

Art Allyn wanted to build a new White Sox stadium in 1967 at Roosevelt and Clark. He was going to pay for it. The City of Chicago (Mayor Daley) wouldn't give him the permits to build the stadium. s

Keith Law's opinion? Poor due diligence by Mariners or chicanery by Sox? Let's not forget at the time David Wells was a huge (literally and figuratively) get at a massive salary for the Sox and expected to lead a returning 2000 playoff team to greater heights. But turned into another Lynn or Keuchel with us...of course he got hurt eventually when not fighting teammates and they recovered a good amount of insurance subsidies on that specific contract.

As much as I want to see my Sox do well, this roster is scary bad. The regime has not done anything to improve the team at any level. Really bad pitching and if Cease is traded, it will only fuel the dumpster fire. If you doubt my analysis, ask yourself who is the leader, who’s the spark, who’s the stopper as a starter or closer. Realizing that this is supposed to be a rebuild, you start the spring training excitement with a 40 year old pitcher that promptly gets lit up.

Eddie Einhorn realized this more than 30 years ago. When the team hired a PR firm back in the late 80s, one of the first things said firm advised was for Einhorn to assume a low profile. Reinsdorf has no people skills from what I can see.

Yea it's so silly. That said, it's a fine line in baseball between "this feels fucking heavy as s%*#" and "this s%*# is gonna rip a hole in my ass when I slide". Maybe they should have just kept the jerseys everybody already didn't have a problem with.

Good luck hitting that. Dude is flat out nasty.

And the owner they hate turns 88 this weekend. I can't stand him and what he's done this franchise either, but do people really think he's still going to be the owner in 10 years? He's not going to be around forever. But if the Sox move out of town, it will be forever. So diehard Sox fans should be careful what they wish for and also shouldn't be so eager to tell their state reps they're fine with the Sox leaving town....in fact they prefer it!

It is. Which is why people will argue tooth and nail for a well-run organization. This thread would be 2 pages if people didn’t care.

Think about what that says about how a lot of people feel about this organization. Think about what is driving those feelings, that they’re that crazy. It’s THAT bad.

I think that’s a good bet, although you won’t be in the clear until a week or so is left in the season.

2023: “This team is a 75 win team in all the projections, but Pedro Grifol is going to do a good job and get them up to 88 wins.” 2024: “This team is a 62 win team in the projections but Pedro Grifol is going to do a good job and get them up to 72 wins.”

I am team Lot 78

Elko continues to warm my heart.