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I’m very excited for the positional talent and what’s coming given what we have seen. I hope we have an ownership group and front office that can supplement it with some free agent pitching. Stick to using some payroll 💪 and not use top 10 prospects to add some expiring pitching depth to help now. Dont pay a premium for mediocre cost control when we have a 50/50 chance that the premium you pay for cost control gets wiped by a lockout.

Wow awesome!

Well that is awful decision making by the White Sox if they are willing to give up a high upside prospect like Carlson for a pitcher like Detmers. It is paying a premium for cost control vs. eliteness and that is not a trade off this organization should ever make. If you want to move Carlson in a package for Miller - I don't love it, but I get behind the fact you are getting an elite cost controlled player, but at a less premium position. That is an acceptable trade off.

I think the Sox get 2 starting pitchers from the group of (High Contract / Eat Money (Castillo / Ray), and then one of Singer/Mets crew), a catcher, and their splash move is Mason Millers (headlined by one of our SS prospects). The splash move is not one I would like to make but I think Getz is going to go big and maybe than leverages Millers and someone else to swing for a TOR guy later in another year (or they explore developing Miller into that TOR guy).

Not what you want to do - but what do you predict?

I still am probably more bullish on the long-term pitching prognosis, but this season's actual productivity certainly hasn't helped the cause. I still generally believe the following individuals who are close to the big leagues who will have sustained success at the big league level in the long-run (presuming health): In no particular order: Schultz, Hagen, MacDougall, Thorpe, Sandlin; Mason Adams I'm less confident in but could as easily see working out; For sakes of simplicity I'm ignoring the waves at the lower levels (and in fairness I'm also not saying there are waves). I also believe Martin and Burke are long-term big league pitchers (not saying either are aces or sustained TOR guys though). Note: I do think this points out that the Sox have a need, whether now or next year - to go out and acquire a TOR pitcher and I believe they have the system depth to do it - but I also would hope with new ownership and potential changes to CBA, we may actually have the free agent market to tap (new CBA with 5 year max deal for FA pitcher is a big game changer in my mind).

This is where I really support using payroll here. Then if you use one of Mason Adams or Sandlin as the headline in a package for one of the Mets pitchers (probably something else too) then I think it feels reasonable and makes us better. I'm not using top 10 or game changing players for non game-changing rentals. If you want to go big and get a Skubal then I get it. If you go for Miller, I get it (for the control) - not my primary move, but you get an elite guy in his spot for a few years. Giving up a top 10 + package for someone like Detmers, just feels odd - get an equal player via rental and then look longer term in the off-season where hopefully ownership can lean a bit into the payroll flexibility they have (while maintaining a better farm system to support the big league club via future trades or developing guys onto the big league squad). Count me out on Detmers unless package is around Sandlin / Mason Adams (I'd be totally good with that - but can't imagine the Angels are).

I’d prefer a combo of ray, singer and the Mets guy.

He has been terrible for Cubs this year but only made 2 starts since coming back from his hamstring injury (awful starts). Was solid past two years and shouldn’t be past his prime yet. Could a change of scenery work? I’m not opposed to it given fact we can’t keep running Schultz out there. Or piggy back him with someone else.

I agree - If this were last year, I’d be fine with it, but with the pressure of the race I think it is too much to ask. I’m still very bullish on Schultz but they clearly have botched their approach to him this year. What I am hoping is he is closer than we think. Last two starts before tonight stuff was weak but command better…today for 3 innings crisp…4th inning came apart again. Big guys can get out of whack quick, especially early in their careers but I’m hoping he’s due for a break through but I think you got to let it happen in more controlled situations right now.

Schultz has to go down to work his stuff out. Not sustainable having so many starters going so short. Leaves the mgr with no good option in long run and taxes the good arms too much. I’m fine if Sox stay as is but you got to put Schultz in a better spot. Reality is we saw some improvement from Schultz for 3 innings and like I said he’s going to be good - but he flat out isn’t ready right now to be a big league starter.

Sox are going to score 4 more tonight

I don't disagree with you on the short-term, he is clearly not in a good place and it can be very difficult to get that right at the big league level. On the long-term, I can't get out the past that even this year, he showed elite stuff (and has a track record of that at the minor league level). Right now this feels very much an issue with the pitching development side and they better figure this out. But I do think the elite tools are absolutely there.

Would be very supportive of this move.

It feels like they made changes recently in an effort to improve command - it has come at a cost of "stuff" - but I also wonder if they view it as they can re-unlock that easier, so from a development perspective repeatability / command was priority. As a result, Noah's in the tough spot of actively working on mechanical and development changes at the big league level (as a young pitcher). I think the key is Sox have to manage his "psyche" well and I feel that is a very underrated area where Venable has excelled. I keep reminding myself - Schultz is going to be a stud in the long-run - but in the short run there is more work to do and some of that is going to require a step back. That said, I'd love to see a game where he's just off the charts electric (we saw some of that when he first came up - where the stuff stood out - despite the challenges with command.

Hell yeah! Now let’s go take it to the Yanks!!! Nice to see offense smash some HRs!!!

Time to start a winning streak!!! Let’s go!

I think the whole plan is JR will play bad guy and then after turn the keys over to Ishibia having done a solid for all the owners.

I get it from the cost controlled but giving up one of our top position prospects plus a schult or smith feels steep. Now I would do it for a few of our pitching prospects - but I’m saving our elite positional talent for front end starting pitching or to have on our big league club. If you told me we signed Skubal in the offseason as Ishibias big first move then id be more stoked.

One of the worse games of the season. Flush it and get back at it tomorrow!

Time to battle back here

And we shouldn't - non sensical to move those guys unless you are getting an elite piece in a package. If you want to move guys, you can think about a Smith or Schultz or some of that next wave of pitchers and then you have some of that next wave of positional guys. We have a good system too.

Kyle Teel, I apologize for any curse I put on you due to my posting the day you got hurt. Please let whatever this injury is end up being far less significant and you are back crushing it before we know it. best thoughts going your way

So for someone who started watching in the 6th…what happened to Teel? Non contact meaning tear or any chance this is more a few week injury?

He was pretty darn good and could go deep but I do think he would benefit from how they handle things. Give him and opener and then let him go 6-7. He through innings. And me putting Detmers in same sentence as Javy is really such an utter disgrace to Javy and his 45 WAR. Detmer is a guy who was a high pick with a good arm who has yet to be anything above being a serviceable starter…yet people want to give up 6 years of cost controlled high end prospects…no thank you. Now if we want to give up two from a group of Bergolla, Quero, Mason Adams, Ky Bush, or Oppor…that I think is a more realistic price tag. Not sure if I’d sell low on Quero like that but I’d see fair value here (for the record I think Quero is going to have a good long career).