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Owners have to absolutely love this - gives them more ammo in their fight against the union. My 11 year old son walks in and just had a meltdown…mlb is rigged…this isn’t fair.

Just curious - what would the equivalent package have been from the White Sox?

I’ll be honest…I’d have been way more mad if we dealt Bonemer or Carlson for Detmers for this deal.

Wow - dominoes are starting to fall. I think there is going to be a ton of action with so many teams in the race.

I will stick to the White Sox took on payroll in lieu of giving up a big prospect. That is still a plus vs old white Sox. I’d be more pissed if they dealt Carlson for Detmers. I do think we may see them go get Mason Miller. I still think that is the splash move Getz makes… I do think they will acquire Adley to play catcher as long as his injury isn’t serious.

I appreciate this post - was looking for someone to have a positive take on this and was nice to at least see some of these thoughts. I was just looking at his pure numbers and struggling.

Anyone got info on his advanced metrics and stuff. Very curious if there is something Sox think they can do to unlock / get him back to what he was…I know his FIP is better than his era but it still isn’t good.

This deal didn’t need Boston Smith quite frankly.

I like seeing the club be willing to take on payroll but this seems like a very strange trade for Sox and by strange it seems stupid. That contract is flat out but bad unless we think there is a minor adjustment needed and his stuff is still well above average. In fairness it is one bad season but he is also on older side.

Is this confirmed - he's going to Tampa or you are just speculating.

Maybe building on this, but if he came over and pitched like he has the past few years down the stretch for the Sox, you could go down the route of a qualifying offer to either retain him or get back a pick (so regain some of that capital). Obviously plenty of scenarios where he isn't worth that qualifying offer - but if was becoming a free agent a year ago, I think he would have gotten that offer.

I definitely think there is likely major risk and he may be more of an eventual AAAA player. I won't pretend to know his dynamics around the tools they see in terms of swing speed, etc.

Them, a Mason Adams, are all in play I think.

Is that a Mets leak...I'd say that is a pretty good deal for the Mets on an expiring starter who has been at best league average and in reality he's been a negative WAR pitcher this year. Club better think they have a way to fix things otherwise I don't see this being that attractive. I don't mind those names being dangled (although I think Boston Smith is going to keep rising).

I think he showed when his command was there at the big league level his stuff played just fine, but he still had to tighten that command up a bit more to have sustained success at the big league level. And it isn't that his command was bad, but early on as a rookie I think he had the typically rookie struggle where you over threw a bit and hadn't yet settled. Plus it takes a bit to really learn how to make adjustments against big leaguers as well. I think a healthy Thorpe has a very clear floor as a #3 or #4 starter. Dude is a very solid pitcher. I also don't think he has much chance of being a #1 or #2 to be clear.

Agree with you completely on McDougal.

If I'm giving up someone like Carlson I like this approach far more then the Detmers type of moves. Presuming no one thinks Webb is due for a longer-term regression (ie is his stuff declining). Also make sure he profiles okay at the Rate vs. Oracle.

Schultz clearly has shown sustained periods (in the minors) of elite stuff, with inconsistent mechanics and command. He also is very lengthy which can make repeatability a bit of a challenge early in their careers. These are the exact type of individuals you do not give up on. He's still 22 year's old and has 6 more years of control as well. I would not be surprised if he was one of the better LHP's in all of baseball for a good chunk of that time. Hagen Smith is a bit different, as his sustained periods of elite stuff has been a little more mixed as he really exploded in his final college season and then has flashed it at times in the minors, but with a bit less consistency as he's worked through mechanical issues. I have less conviction here than I do with Noah, but I am still pretty convinced worse case you are talking about a guy who is an elite set-up man and best case he has what it takes to be a front of the rotation pitcher (ie a 1, 2, or #3 pitcher in a rotation). McDougal is close to Schultz in my mind, with the major question here (as with all pitchers) being sustainable health. But I think his floor is the highest of this trio of prospects and I am a bit dissaopinted we couldn't continue to stretch him out so he could build on his 110+ innings last year in the minors, because right now it is pretty clear he's going to see a substantial set back in innings pitched as the club worked to get him stretched out for the rotation. With that said - his stuff is high end - he has the physical build you look for in front of the rotation starters, and as a floor, I think he will be an excellent reliver, but would hate to see him limited there. He has been consistently excellent after whatever adjustments he made from 24 into 25. Note: How they develop and what the right mix of minor league development vs. major league development will be key. I don't know what it is, but I think McDougal is the individual of the trio who will have more immediate sustained MLB success because I think his command and repeatability is best suited mixed with that stuff. Not saying he's going to come out and be an ace right away, but I think he'll be a serviceable big leaguer out of the gate and then grow from there.

McDougall is a long term front of the rotation starter if his arm is healthy. Meanwhile he will be able to make an impact in our bullpen down the stretch I think.

That is what my eye test tells me - he is throwing a sinker that is pure lethal. 102 mph sinker is something I’ve never seen thrown.

Will Twins pick up the payroll or pay a bit more on prospect side.

Solid reliever - wonder what the cost was?

I don’t want to see Detmers and Sox. I want to see Sox next to expiring starters who have been good but with big contracts that allow us to give minimal draft capital. If you give elite talent - be like Preller and go get elite talent back (not mediocre guys like Reid Detmer)

I will be so pissed if we trade an elite prospect at a premium for a slightly above average starter because he has control. Would be awful. Ray or Clay Holmes are better than Detmers and either and or both could be had without giving up one of our high upside guys. How stupid could we be if we gave up the better prospect solely to have an extra year of control with a payroll that is as low as this clubs.

I think he can very much be a Kyle Hendricks type - which is pretty darn solid and valuable.