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QUOTE(aboz56 @ Sep 16, 2005 -> 01:25 PM) I didn't say we would be competitive if we did this. It's called rebuilding for a reason. I like your general plan. Blow it all up.

ERIC CHAVEZ TALK AGAIN?? DOES IT EVER END??

Damnit, only if we could get him. He'll probably be dealt to Boston since I don't think Boston is going to resign Damon or maybe even the Yankees who are feenin' for a CF.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 16, 2005 -> 12:43 PM) Many guys have put much harder innings on their arms for much longer periods of time, and still been fine. Roger Clemens is still doing it at 15 years older than Buehrle. And keep in mind a speed difference that you get from a tired arm isn't going to affect a guy like Mark Buehrle nearly as much as a guy who has a big fastball. Buehrle is all about placement and deception. Everyone in the world knows that his pitches aren't that great on their own. Its not like Bobby Jenks who can tell you his fastball is coming and you would still miss it. If you know Buehrle is throwing a fastball, it is pedestrian at best. The thing that makes Buehrle hard to hit is not knowing whether you are getting a 90 mph fastball, or a 76 mph change up out of the same motion and release point. It is the speed differential that gets you, not the speed itself. If he had a dead arm, the speed on his fastball would be down into the mid 80s and its not. Isn't it fair to say that if you have a tired arm or injury that it messes up your mechanics?

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 16, 2005 -> 12:36 PM) Santana vs El Duque. LOL You dont need to throw darts at the dartboard to figure out who is going to win this. I surely hope he isn't putting his money on El Duque.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Sep 16, 2005 -> 12:20 PM) If the team misses the playoffs, here would be my plans after the season and I am not joking. Some might refer to this as the Cleveland model for rebuilding. Trade Jose Contreras and Orlando Hernandez for prospects Let Paul Konerko, Frank Thomas and Carl Everett go via free agency Trade Damaso Marte or release him Resign Jon Garland to a long term deal Resign AJ Pierzynski Trade Jermaine Dye for prospects, put Brian Anderson full-time in RF Find a decent third baseman I wouldn't trade Jose. He's actually turned it on since the AS break with his new armslot. I could deal with that if you somehow have a plan to trade for 3 power hitters because the best power hitter on the market this year is PK. Damaso has lost trade value because of what Ozzie said. Looks like a release for him. I agree on Garland. Trade Jermaine Dye for prospects and trade Brian Anderson as well. I don't think Anderson will turn into anything more than an Aaron Rowand. While Rowand has nice defense, his power numbers have gone really south. Unless we're playing Moneyball, I'd trade Anderson too and get some power in the lineup. It's going to cost you more prospects for a 3B. I mean Mueller is the only option on the market this year IIRC. He doesn't have Crede's glove and Buehrle and Garland won't look as good without his defense. Chavez or bust is what we're looking at there.

QUOTE(alexgtp @ Sep 16, 2005 -> 11:37 AM) Gee nice too see you are so optimistic. Can santana be beat ..YES!! he has lost 7 times this year.So i dont see why he cant lose his 8th to us.!~! Have some faith.. I am hoping for a minny sweep! I doubt it. Garcia gave up like 1 hit last time against Santana and still ended up losing.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 16, 2005 -> 10:15 AM) Actually it was your posts about his historical innings pitched that finished convincing me it was mechanical. If this were his first year of throwing a bunch of innings that would be one thing. He is way over 900 innings in the last 4 full years, so he is used to the work. Plus Mark was getting hit way to hard to be just having a bad outing. The Royals knew what was coming, that was obvious to me. Maybe pitching all those innings finally got to him. He has pitched the most innings since 2001, remember that. Guys can't consistantly pitch as many innings as he has for years without getting some type of injury or tired arm. This may be the year that he has it. Who knows?

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 16, 2005 -> 12:27 PM) This is a great idea, however would be thinking outside of the box for Ozzie. McCarthy and Conteras are guys I feel confident to pitch against good teams. Word son. I agree. I'd like to see McCarthy and Contreras against the Tribe. Buehrle won't do s*** against them and Garland has nothing more than a decent chance. If Freddy pitches good, we won't hit. If Freddy pitches bad, we won't get a single hit.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 07:30 PM) Cleveland will not be in first place this season. It may get closer, but they will not overtake the Sox. You willing to make a wager?

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 07:01 PM) Trouble is, Mark had plenty of chances this 2nd half to completely shut up that talk forever, and because his 2nd half has been so weak, he's totally failed to do so. Yep. And I love Buehrle. I like the way he speaks his mind and I like the way he interacts with fans.

WTF is wrong with you guys?! They play better when no one shows up. Ban yourselves from the Cell. It's our only chance.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 06:15 PM) Ain't gonna happen. The Sox are going to have a great series in Minny and come home Monday on a high note. We owe them a sweep. Cleveland's going to take the lowly Royals for granted and lose 2 of 3. And then we're going to procede to beat the everlovings*** out of Cleveland and reassert our dominance in the division and in the league. You think I'm full of s***, but take a look at how well the Sox are swinging the bats. Crede's hitting, Uribe's hitting, even Carl seems to be coming around. Dye's hitting, Pods is hitting and Iguchi is f'n clutch. We all know what Pauly's doing but because he can't handle pressure he'll be dropped back to clean up this weekend. Even AJ has shown some life at the plate. The pitching has stumbled but will be picked up by the hitting. Garland might win his game. Duque has no chance against Santana. Whoever faces Liriano(either Garland or Garcia/BMac) will probably lose no matter how good they pitch since we suck against pitchers we haven't seen. I say s*** hits the fan Wednesday.

Jay-Z is richer than us, yes, but he's doesn't have the money to run a franchise. He's only worth 300 million. I know it seems like I'm trying to downplay 300 million, but all owners in the NBA are worth tons more. Jay-Z owns a very small percentage of the team and is really a figurehead for the Nets. They're trying to appeal to the hip-hop audience with him.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 03:25 PM) No s***, Gooch was the most impressive hitter yesterday, so we sit him??? Makes no sense at all, Now we have a must win situation against the team in our division that we have the worst record against As if Willie did bad today? Pods would've scored in the first inning if not for his poor attempt at stealing.

How about a Vida Guerra banner?

Pods has to be injured. Like I told Nuke last night, ever since he came back from the DL, he runs like he has something up his ass. Not only when running on the bases, but when he runs down a ball. He runs really tender. I like Buehrle's quote. It's damn true. About goddamn time this team doesn't use, "we're still first in the division [insert garbage here]"

Ozzie won't get fired. His in game decisions suck ass and IMO he deserves to at least get demoted to bench coach(because he does bring motivation). As I said before, at least Dusty has proven to me that he could take talent far. Ozzie hasn't. The way he manages pitching sucks more than the way Dusty does considering Dusty's pitching usually doesn't wear out until the playoffs. We aren't even there yet. Also, Dusty will start his opening day lineup more than twice in the season.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 05:19 PM) If he says he's healthy and he's not, what's the difference between that and Marte other than Freddy drinks beers with Ozzie? Its time to step up, not look for reasons to bail. If he's hurt its not that bad right now. His concentration is lacking however. The curious thing to me is Ozzie said he talked to him, but now needs Cooper to talk to him. Either Ozzie doesn't trust what Freddy told him or he didn't answer his questions. How is bailing if he legitimately is injured? This guy had the same problem last year. My fear is that most of the rotations arms are about to fall off. Maybe that's a reason Buehrle has tailed off badly. Maybe he needs rest. Marte and Garcia are way different situations.

Things Buehrle is not: Ace Stopper Things that Buehrle is: A guy who could win in low pressure situations A guy who feasts on weak teams Still a nice #3 pitcher on this staff

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 04:03 PM) Ozzie says he trusts his players. He said he talked to Garcia and is going to have Cooper talk to Garcia. If he talked to him and said he was hurt or tired, why would Cooper have to talk to him? Seems goofy to me. Freddy is supposed to be a big game pitcher, and now he may be opting out of a start at the most critical part of this season? Maybe there's room on Marte's plane for him. I think this team is in freefall, even Ozzie's buddies are starting to bail. So you rather have Freddy keep saying he's healthy and get shalacked instead of saying the truth? Rest him and hope you make the playoffs.

Willie Harris dominates on offense as always and PK can't drive him in as always.

So when does Willie finally replace Iguchi permanantly in the lineup??

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 11:01 AM) In fact, to lighten up the mood here, I think were gonna start putting up some more light hearted banners. This first one is a masterpiece made by Greasy. TIMO 4 MVP. He better play everyday.

Maybe when they show the White Soxon ESPN at home, we'll have a packed house.