Dick Allen

When he was "going for it", the best he did was win 78 games. What has changed that makes you believe he is capable of picking the correct players to get the team over the top? Obviously, the Tatis trade was horrible, but coming in 2nd may have been the Shark trade. The Sox need pitchers. Hopefully trading for them isn't the option they choose.

The problem is the shrewd signings are few and far between.

I hope he is. His BABIP is down to .372 and his average had dropped 35 points. His framing stats are awful. Supposedly the staff likes throwing to him though and likes how he calls a game, but the team ERA is pretty inflated. He's definitely been a bargain though. Hopefully it's not a 100 game thing.

And any amateur GM could have drafted the other guys.

My point is you are giving them just as much time or even more in a few cases to get the job done, as teams that did not have these assets to trade. The point being, it should be a little farther along. We shouldn't be reading there are only 1 or 2 guys in the line up that results matter and who will be here when they are good at this point. The pitching staff is beyond woeful, and that is with a huge surprise, Giolito, becoming really good.

No it's not a weird take. Look at baseball execs' quotes before the rebuild began. Many said it would be the shortest rebuild of all time because of these assets, yet the kool aid drinkers point out it should take at least as long, if not longer than teams that rebuilt and couldn't trade for multiple major league ready prospects.

If the Sox didn't have Sale and Eaton and Q to trade, how long would this 5 year rebuild take? 20 or 30 years?

Nova sucks, but trading him won't save you money or net you a worthwhile prospect. Unless you want to see someone even worse than him on the hill every 5 days, trading him,, and I know this sounds crazy, doesn't make much sense.

If it only was that easy. I have waved my white flag as much as possible. Once the games get out of hand anymore, even if I am there, I am out of there. Up until last season I don't think, except for rain delays, I ever had left a White Sox game before it was over. I do it all the time now. But I have no confidence in management. They are trying to get in a position where they were before where adding correct pieces would lead to wins. They rarely add a correct piece. It's almost always wrong. Even the guys they miss out on, the Logan Morrison's of the world, were just wastes of money. Maybe they are due to be correct. That would be nice, but I don't think so.

Rosenthal wrote the Mets are looking for as much or more for Diaz than they gave up to get him. Scratch him off the list.

So ignore what they say, they don't mean it unless it works out perfectly. He said it, he owns it. There have been many bad decisions, by many people. There will be more bad decisions, but there better be some good ones, and not just the ones anyone can make.

White Sox fans have every right to be pissed off. That's the bottom line. If the fan police don't like it, who cares? You started a rebuild 3 years ago, got 10 prospects for 3 players. Had a #10 pick, a pick, then new golden boy scouting director said he would have picked 1-1. Excuses shouldn't be made daily for missed pop ups at this point.

I don't think all of the board would have thought 18 games ago the team was ahead of schedule, especially if you looked back at the schedules 2 or 3 years ago. They had a very soft first half schedule. The second half is a bit tougher. Their run differential which Steve Stone, now Mr. Optimist likes to use to say some other teams could be playing above their heads, was and is one of the worst in baseball. Beating Kc and Baltimore, and Detroit, while nice, and needing to be done, doesn't put a team ahead in a rebuild. You are, if the goal is to win championships, expected to be able to hang wjth good teams on a nightly basis. They don't seem very close to that right now. And JR, RH, and KW, whose bad decisions led a bad team to rebuild, are still calling the shots. That is pretty unprecedented.

White Sox fans "fragility" should be understood. They haven't had a bad week or two. They have had a bad decade, and they still have the same people calling the shots.

The Sox still are a bad baseball team. The bad stretch has now stretch many years. There seems to always be an excuse. This team has butchered 4 or 5 pop ups the last 2 weeks. You don’t see that at the Pony League level.

In this home run era, Jon Jay, who has 11 homers his last 2400 plate appearances, is batting clean up.

I would guess they would hope to trade Jay or someone for a lottery ticket to open up the spot. I would think TA is ready to go on Tuesday.

Farmio said last night he doesn’t believe the Sox are even discussing a Coloma trade.

How dare you lol. Don't you know it's windy or the roof is white? Expecting a major league to catch a pop up is nuts

I wonder if it is OK for a fan to be mad at that one. Maybe Stone will let us know on Twitter. Probably not. 2005.

I was in Marshall’s several months ago and they had kids jerseys for sale. The Sox have Abreu and Lopez, the Cubs were all Russell. I was thinking someone was going to inadvertently buy their Cubs fan kid or nephew or niece or neighbor a wife beater jersey.

Will only be a 2 day event next January, friday/Saturday.and will be held at McCormick Place.

Vegan wrote that he clearly won’t be traded.

You can’t trade him just to trade someone. You have to acquire someone who will help you actually win. Not the Ryan Cordells,and Charlie Tilsons and Casey Gillespies of the world. It’s fine going after those types when trading guys that won’t be around next year is the cost. But the Sox are going to need a lot of relievers next year if they hope to not suck, and Coloma fits the bill. The price has to be high.

LGINAA. All I know is that I thought he really sucked coming into this year with very little hope of being decent. He was a legit candidate to start the All Star Game. He might not be an ace, but he's pretty good.