Chicago White Sox

I’d say pass. Not a good fit for what we need and I think there’s diminishing returns having two CF types when you play 81 games at the Rate.

Yeah, no idea what he’s talking about there.

Wow would that be a huge overpay.

There isn’t an actual argument here. You are simply wrong and refuse to acknowledge how insane your conspiracy theory is.

First, not that it matters, but the Sox didn’t sign Alonso. Second, I don’t think you honestly believe that, I think it’s simply what you want to believe to support your “Reinsdorf is cheap” view.

Why does that matter at all? Pretty sure the Tribune Company spent a fuckton of money including a massive contract for Alfonso Soriano right before they sold the Cubs. It really seems at this point like you are reaching for anything you possibly can to support this idea that our Machado offer was just a con.

I just don’t get it. Like nothing good came from missing out on Machado.

Lol...the TV deal was not impacted by the potential of a Machado deal and the few tickets that were sold as a result were completely offset by the sheer anger & resentment created amongst the fanbase due to the miss.

Gives the impression the Sox are trying? The only impression Sox fans have of management when it comes to free agents is we always come in second place. And somehow, you actually think putting on some great big spectacle but with the intentions of coming in second place would help their image. Please don’t try getting a job in public relations, because you clearly don’t get how this shit works.

(1) without question because he made that exact offer in hopes of landing him?

What in the world do you think this PR stunt was supposed to accomplish?

It’s one of the craziest takes I have ever seen on this site.

What in the world are you talking about? Take off the tin foil hat and read what you’re actually writing. It’s complete utter nonsense. This wasn’t a PR stunt as missing out on Manny completely blew up in their faces. The fanbase is still enraged about this and even skeptical than ever before (for god’s sake read your posts). They simply botched the process and refused to go the distance with years 9 & 10.

What do you mean by “debasing your franchise”?

No offense man, but you sound legit nuts here. The Sox front office is not actively engaging in some conspiracy against their fanbase. The Sox did not add Alonso & Jay to trick you and other fans into thinking they were pursuing marque free agents when they really weren’t. They added those two because they honesty thought it would help them land Machado. And they really wanted to sign Manny and legit made a $250M offer to him. They ultimately lost out and failed because they wouldn’t guarantee years 9 & 10. Rip them all you like for that because it’s idiotic they thought 8/$250M would get it done, but please stop with the conspiracy angles.

Are you actually suggesting the 8/$250M offer with vesting options for years 9 & 10 based on plate appearances and other incentives that could have pushed it up to $350M in total value is a lie that both baseball insiders and our front office have conjured up to “improve their standing their fan base”?

I mean, they just offered an 8/$250M contract last contract. The evidence is pretty concrete Jerry is willing to commit over $150M to a single player. The real question is he willing to step outside his comfort zone risk-wise and actually pay market for said player. We lost out on Machado because Jerry was afraid to pay a potentially unproductive Machado $30M/per in years 9 & 10 of said deal and demanded options, not because of the lucrativeness of the first eight years of the offer.

I’m all for making a serious pursuit of Cole, but all insurance covers for is extensive time missed. If Cole were to get injured and then never be the same or simply rapidly deteriorates with age, we’d be on the hook and totally fucked. It’s a risk I think is worth taking, but a big risk nonetheless.

Well put, just doesn’t make any sense.

I think it’s pretty clear at this point Cole is not happening as much as we’d all love to see it.

Childish Cubs/White Sox thing? I just think it would completely idiotic to trade anything of value (let alone Bummer & Lopez) for two years of Kyle Schwarber when someone like Corey Dickerson or Mike Moustakas can be had for just cash. He simply isn’t that good.

But they’re not 27!?! Therefore, we better trade our best reliever and a two win starter for the BABE!!!

Schwarber may be the most overrated player in all of baseball. I’m shocked at how many Sox fans are infatuated with him for whatever reason.

Why trade for one of those three guys when Wheeler is just as good / better and will only cost a draft pick?

He’s missed a ton of time though. Next year will be huge for him and he really needs to make some progress in the swing & miss department.