Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 06:01 PM) And that deal wound up costing us 1 quality starting IF and everyone insisted we'd be able to trade him at the deadline and then we couldn't get anything of use back for him after his terrible July and then everyone loved the draft pick and it wound up being a guy down for TJS. This is what we call learning from history. That's actually not true. Hahn already said he wanted to rebuild but they decided to make a push for the playoffs.

Watch this end up being a situation like the Samardzija deal where people were freaking out we dealt Anderson and it turned out to be more about quantity than quality. Watch a deal somehow center around Stephens and Adams while everyone else is intact.

They must really like the Yankees package if they're that afraid to trade him to a rebulding tean lol

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 05:53 PM) If it would be pointless, then why not grant the window to increase their return? Because it's Baltimore, a team that just said they don't believe in international spending.

Anyone think the Yankees offer could be better but they just don't want to trade him to the Yankees?

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 05:45 PM) Machado for Avi and/or Cease + org filler + promise we won't trade him to Yankees? Won't trade him to Yankees before a certain date? Sure. I agree it would be s***ty if done immediately but there should be no issues if done at a later point.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 05:43 PM) Because they play them 18 or 19 times. It is very understandable. If the White Sox word isn't good enough, then it won't happen. Probably won't happen anyway. There has to be at least one top guy in the package or it makes no sense for Baltimore. So if he goes to the Sox, there should be no issue in dealing him there later on in the summer. You can justify it as "we traded for him and fully intended on extending him. Negotiations are far apart so we are making him available" in July completely avoiding the 18-19 games.

Why do the O's care if he ends up there for one season, a season in which O's will be bad if they trade him?

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 05:37 PM) The downside is it locks you into a roster that isnt good enough and prevents you from dealing either Abreu or Garcia possibly both. There is also the non-zero chance Machado gets injured or has another down year. There is risk plenty. Of course there is upside too but all this is predicated on the Orioles accepting a bad offer. Why woudn't they keep him. Why wouldn't they see where they are at the deadline and either move him for prospects or take the pick? They are already locked in. Other then Britton not much else on their roster has significant value. Why?

They just read the Nightingale story on The Score. Sox have the best offer but O's might deal him to the Cards so the White Sox don't trade him to the Yanks at a point later in the season. They said no prized prospects in the package.

QUOTE (Quin @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 05:11 PM) Wut Fear of getting dealt to Yanks from another team.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 04:51 PM) Not with Machado on a 1 year contract they wouldn't^ There's been rumors they could trade one without one year of Machado though. Not likely anymore it seems since they've added arms.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 04:26 PM) Dave definitely gets some good intel but I highly doubt he has something that big before everyone else and is only sitting on it to bring out on his podcast in a few hours. But...maybe he is getting good intel that its reeeeeeally close? Didn't they do this same thing for the Quintana trade? Wasn't that one an emergency podcast the night before the deal happened?

Here's what he said a few days ago: https://twitter.com/barstoolWSD/status/940790263135522816

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 04:12 PM) Cubs have nowhere to play Machado with Bryant at third, Russell/Baez at short Unless they shipped one out for pitching as been rumored for months.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 04:09 PM) WhiteSoxDave is taping an emergency podcast tonight. He only does that when there's something to report, right? He did Tweet the other day that they were only doing a podcast if there was a big move.

QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 03:50 PM) The Cardinals and White Sox are both going after a player who's decision on what team he's going to play for will be decided via an Instagram post. That sounds familiar... LMAO

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 03:35 PM) Cards trading Weaver and O'Neill for him makes sense For sure.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 03:32 PM) Maybe when the move puts you over the edge to win the WS. See: Cubs/Chapman. I agree and sort of acknowledged that. But seeing comments the last few days of: "any team that gives up anything of value is crazy" is over the top. If we were a big bat away from being competitive, of course I'd trade a top 100 guys in a package to get one. Edit: Darvish was also another one who netted a top 100 guy at the deadline just last year.

Teams move top 100 prospects for 2 month rentals. I'm sure any deal for Machado will also include at least one top 100. It's crazy to say he's not worth that when top 100 guys literally get traded for 2 months of a guy. Now is that worth it to us? Probably not but that's because of where we currently are.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 03:15 PM) I don't see the actual point in driving the price up for Machado? I'm not buying that. Agreed.

I'm all over the place on how I should feel on this lol part of me thinks if we're even talking about a deal in the first place, that Hahn has the ok from Jerry to spend whatever amount it takes to sign him now. But if that is the case, they could wait. Unless they think another team like the Phillies beat them to it or even the Yankees.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:33 AM) Why would he sign during that time? Besides yanks, Phillies have an insane amount of money they could offer. I'm not disagreeing with anything you are saying lol

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:30 AM) Same as if he is here for a season with a non-contending club. There are also some rumors that he could be on the Yankees radar next offseason. Minus the idea that you could overpay him and have exclusive negotiations for 7+ months.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:29 AM) Is Castillo really Machado's best friend? I do know Ozzie and his sons do know Machado from Miami. So they could have a little more info about his intentions. But this is a guy who is going to get paid at least top 4 of all time. Money talks. Why would he go this far and not test the open market? They played with each other for a year. I would think Machado has plenty of friends in the game.