hi8is Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:51 PM) The #WhiteSox kept asking for #RedSox 3B Rafael Dever in Chris Sale trade, but the RedSox refused. Compromise: Victor Diaz and Luis Basabe. Check out @BNightengale's Tweet: https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/806...0049196032?s=09 Glad that's clear now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 10:51 PM) The #WhiteSox kept asking for #RedSox 3B Rafael Dever in Chris Sale trade, but the RedSox refused. Compromise: Victor Diaz and Luis Basabe. Check out @BNightengale's Tweet: https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/806...0049196032?s=09 This is a minor disappointment but hard to complain. I might have taken Devers over Kopech TBH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 10:51 PM) The #WhiteSox kept asking for #RedSox 3B Rafael Dever in Chris Sale trade, but the RedSox refused. Compromise: Victor Diaz and Luis Basabe. Check out @BNightengale's Tweet: https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/806...0049196032?s=09 When I first looked at Basabe's 2016 stats, I was concerned with the number of K's (419 AB/116 K), but last season he was only 19 playing Low A Ball. I'm sure he played a lot against Kanny, so he should be well scouted. I'm really looking forward to see how he does in 2017, probably starting at W-S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 09:51 PM) The #WhiteSox kept asking for #RedSox 3B Rafael Dever in Chris Sale trade, but the RedSox refused. Compromise: Victor Diaz and Luis Basabe. Check out @BNightengale's Tweet: https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/806...0049196032?s=09 Don't think you can equate Diaz/Basabe with Devers. Should have demanded Groome/Basabe or ERod Edited December 8, 2016 by soxforlife05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Man I wanted Devers badly. *Sad face* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 11:43 PM) Don't think you can equate Diaz/Basabe with Devers. Should have demanded Groome/Basabe or ERod Yah, I think this trade looks SOOO much better with ERod or Groome added on as the 3rd piece, Basabe the 4th, and Diaz the 5th. BUt oh well. Can't complain about the 1st two pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 It's also kind of a moot point with the Eaton return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 12:37 PM) Yah, I think this trade looks SOOO much better with ERod or Groome added on as the 3rd piece, Basabe the 4th, and Diaz the 5th. BUt oh well. Can't complain about the 1st two pieces. I doubt the conversation went: We want devers No Okay well we'll take Basabe and your 30th ranked prospect then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 04:01 PM) I'm curious what the general impression is here from those who closely follow the Sox minor league system, regarding if they got enough for Sale (Rabbitt for example) I saw this in the Tribune today and it made me wonder: "Red Sox President Dave Dombrowski said Tuesday that when Hahn asked last weekend if he still had interest in Sale, he told Hahn it depended on the price. "Well, we're going to get away from some of the things we have asked for in the past," Hahn told Dombrowski." Let the discussion begin (and if I'm late to the party on this topic I've been on the road the last week with games against Utah State, Colorado and Wisconsin. (Whom ISU actually beat last night at the Kohl Center) Mark Are you asking us to give you more fuel for your lifelong crusade against Sox management? Do your own leg work. You're a journalist, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 12:37 PM) Yah, I think this trade looks SOOO much better with ERod or Groome added on as the 3rd piece, Basabe the 4th, and Diaz the 5th. BUt oh well. Can't complain about the 1st two pieces. Yeah, I have that same smidge of disappointment that what was supposed to an "unprecedented haul" ended up a tad smaller than hoped. One more significant piece like Devers could have offset that a little. Still in all, a good trade with a great headliner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 01:16 PM) Yeah, I have that same smidge of disappointment that what was supposed to an "unprecedented haul" ended up a tad smaller than hoped. One more significant piece like Devers could have offset that a little. Still in all, a good trade with a great headliner. Agreed. Felt like it was a piece off. But combined with the Eaton deal, great hauls so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 01:51 PM) Man I wanted Devers badly. *Sad face* Hang in there...if we had received Devers, then no Basabe whom I think will develop well. The speed, defense and arm alone give him a high floor at a premium defensive position. I think his power and approach at the plate will pleasantly surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 01:16 PM) Yeah, I have that same smidge of disappointment that what was supposed to an "unprecedented haul" ended up a tad smaller than hoped. One more significant piece like Devers could have offset that a little. Still in all, a good trade with a great headliner. I think the addition of Devers would have made it a grand slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 02:03 PM) I think the addition of Devers would have made it a grand slam. Moncada/Devers/Kopech would have been an overpay from Boston's perspective That is 3 top thirty prospects for one player, the risk would be arguably too huge. The White Sox tried hard, but Boston knew they had the best offer on the table as nobody else was offering a true blue chip prospect along the lines of Moncada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 01:09 PM) I doubt the conversation went: We want devers No Okay well we'll take Basabe and your 30th ranked prospect then dude you just spam them with offers until you find the one they accept, duh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 8, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) Moncada/Devers/Kopech would have been an overpay from Boston's perspective That is 3 top thirty prospects for one player, the risk would be arguably too huge. The White Sox tried hard, but Boston knew they had the best offer on the table as nobody else was offering a true blue chip prospect along the lines of Moncada Agree with both parts of this. The Sox would have needed to add another piece to their end to balance things out. Plus, like you said, no one was bidding up the Red Sox' current offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 I think one thing we as white sox fans had a hard time valuing was that Moncada wasn't just a #1 prospect in baseball but a very highly touted one. He wasn't someone you could just plug in a formula of "we need 3 top 30 prospects". Teams that have a Moncada don't trade them, just like teams that have Sale at that point in the contract don't trade them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 A good analysis of the Chris Sale trade from Big Three Sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 I won't lie the Boston article has me bummed. I really wanted Rafael Devers in the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Probably could have had Devers if we paid Moncada's $30M? How many prospects is that $30M worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 08:55 PM) Probably could have had Devers if we paid Moncada's $30M? How many prospects is that $30M worth. I have seen nothing from DD that they cared at all about that money. They just couldn't justify trading both of their 3b options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 08:55 PM) Probably could have had Devers if we paid Moncada's $30M? How many prospects is that $30M worth. Red Sox aren't even paying him $30 mill. He's owed about ten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Will someone please explain the $31.5 MM bonus? I thought it was paid at signing. If not, how much is left? Etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 QUOTE (oldsox @ Dec 10, 2016 -> 09:29 PM) Will someone please explain the $31.5 MM bonus? I thought it was paid at signing. If not, how much is left? Etc. I'm pretty certain they are paying it in 3 installments so about 1/3 of it is remaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 We’ve already heard about how the White Sox wanted Rafael Devers as part of the Chris Sale trade, and Gammons reports that Chicago also had interest in Andrew Benintendi as the deal’s starting point but Boston refused. Benintendi, another highly-touted prospect, made a strong MLB debut in 2016 and looks to start next year as the Red Sox starting left fielder. From MLB trade rumors citing Gammons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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