4 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:

For 2 seasons of Soto at monster arb numbers? Lol Nats fans gonna be disappointed in the ultimate return…

This. He's not cost controlled. Sox have plenty to get him if they wanted but one would definitely have to be Montgomery. After that who knows .

7 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:

For 2 seasons of Soto at monster arb numbers? Lol Nats fans gonna be disappointed in the ultimate return…

Different sport, but we literally just saw something like this play out here in town with Alex DeBrincat. 

6 hours ago, KrankinSox said:

Other teams will easily beat an Eloy + Colson package. 

Just to get them on the phone it would start Vaughn, Kopech, +, +. 

This is why I noted from the start of this thread that it was silly to even discuss. 

The Sox don't have top 100 prospect power to engage in a trade for a big whale.   It would take cost controlled personnel from the current ML roster to get the Nationals to even take a phone call. 

 

https://theathletic.com/3428196/2022/07/16/juan-soto-trade-packages-teams/
 

The White Sox really don’t have anyone besides Vaughn and Luis Robert on the mlb roster that would be of interest.

Eloy?  For a rebuilding team with an escalating salary and limited control?

Nope.

Even Cease and Kopech don’t fit the timeline.

 

The Sox aren’t going to be any better off trading those two…or even just one of them and a package of minor leaguers, because it’s basically trapping them in the same exact situation they were in from 2011-2016. 
 

The only way it possibly makes sense would be if they had an extension agreement already in place.  And, as noted, that would never happen with Boras.  Freddy Garcia was a notable exception for a previous megatrade/extension due to his connection with the Guillen family.  That pre-existing relationship doesn't exist with Juan Soto.

15 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

https://theathletic.com/3428196/2022/07/16/juan-soto-trade-packages-teams/
 

The White Sox really don’t have anyone besides Vaughn and Luis Robert on the mlb roster that would be of interest.

Eloy?  For a rebuilding team with an escalating salary and limited control?

Nope.

Even Cease and Kopech don’t fit the timeline.

 

The Sox aren’t going to be any better off trading those two…or even just one of them and a package of minor leaguers, because it’s basically trapping them in the same exact situation they were in from 2011-2016. 
 

The only way it possibly makes sense would be if they had an extension agreement already in place.  And, as noted, that would never happen with Boras.  Freddy Garcia was a notable exception for a previous megatrade/extension due to his connection with the Guillen family.  That pre-existing relationship doesn't exist with Juan Soto.

Cease absolutely could headline a deal. He's a young ace with 3 more years of control. But obviously the Sox can't move him.

1 hour ago, Sarava said:

Cease absolutely could headline a deal. He's a young ace with 3 more years of control. But obviously the Sox can't move him.

Sure, but what’s the difference between 3 1/2 vs. 2 1/2 years of control for the worst team in baseball?

The Nationals need players that are pre-arbitration.  Even Vaughn only has one more year. 

 

Soto’s already making the highest amount in arbitration.  But it’s not like Cease’s arbitration numbers will be chopped liver.

Discussing Cease or Vaughn as part of a package for Soto is pointless. Sox are trying to win now. Trading away your best starting pitcher doesn't make any sense, nor does trading Vaughn.

Only big name that makes sense is Eloy because he's an OF. Aside from that you'd have to put together a package full of guys like Burger, Sheets, Foster, Crochet, Martin, Sosa and even then I don't know if that's worth it.

this article is an excellent reminder that baseballtradevalues is the worst baseball site to happen to the internet:

https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2022/7/19/23269038/juan-soto-trade-ideas-rumors-yankees-dodgers-padres-giants

 

On 7/17/2022 at 11:21 PM, Chicago White Sox said:

The Athletic had an article outlining potential trade packages and threw out Eloy, Vaughn, Montgomery, Colas, & Vera for the Sox.  They then said that wouldn’t be enough and a package would need to start with Cease & Robert.  I think we can safely close this thread.

You're damn right this thread needs to close out!

Whoever wrote this article at the Athletic is an ignorant moron. First of all, that list of Sox players is more than enough and secondly, that would be a massively stupid trade for the Sox to make. Soto is great but he isn't worth that much! Plus there is no way Andrew Vaughn is being traded or part of any future trade package. To think we would trade Robert and Cease for Soto is pure insanity and laughable! 

We already have one of the worst farm systems and now the Sox would give up even more with Montgomery, Colas and Vera, along with Eloy and Vaughn, or Robert and Cease is pure nonsense and absurd!

Having a great player is not enough to assure winning a World Series, if you don't have enough talent around him. Hmm, how is that working out for the Angels with Mike Trout for the last 12 years?

4 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said:

You're damn right this thread needs to close out!

Whoever wrote this article at the Athletic is an ignorant moron. First of all, that list of Sox players is more than enough and secondly, that would be a massively stupid trade for the Sox to make. Soto is great but he isn't worth that much! Plus there is no way Andrew Vaughn is being traded or part of any future trade package. To think we would trade Robert and Cease for Soto is pure insanity and laughable! 

We already have one of the worst farm systems and now the Sox would give up even more with Montgomery, Colas and Vera, along with Eloy and Vaughn, or Robert and Cease is pure nonsense and absurd!

Having a great player is not enough to assure winning a World Series, if you don't have enough talent around him. Hmm, how is that working out for the Angels with Mike Trout for the last 12 years?

I will say this much, out of all of the trade packages, Vaughn being a headliner actually does make a lot of sense for both teams unless the Nats want to go even younger.  Soto essentially replaces Vaughn, so that isn't a real big loss.  When you start talking about Cease, then it is a big problem.  Same with Robert.

Honestly I think the trade packages will be multitudes less than the more ridiculous speculation so far, but it will be painful.

listened to the Rosenthal podcast yesterday and had an interesting point. Taking on Strasburg has been a popular idea - but Stras has a no trade clause. If paired together its effectively handing over the power of where Soto can be traded to Boras (who reps both).

Thought that was interesting. He said Corbin would be the better salary dump.

8 minutes ago, bmags said:

listened to the Rosenthal podcast yesterday and had an interesting point. Taking on Strasburg has been a popular idea - but Stras has a no trade clause. If paired together its effectively handing over the power of where Soto can be traded to Boras (who reps both).

Thought that was interesting. He said Corbin would be the better salary dump.

So at some point you would be paying BOTH Staus and Soto to HUGE contracts.  There are like 4 teams in MLB that could do that.

Corbin at least would be off of the books before Soto goes HUGE.

1 hour ago, bmags said:

this article is an excellent reminder that baseballtradevalues is the worst baseball site to happen to the internet:

https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2022/7/19/23269038/juan-soto-trade-ideas-rumors-yankees-dodgers-padres-giants

 

Imagine being a Nats fan and getting two catchers in return for Soto. 

2 minutes ago, MiddleCoastBias said:

Imagine being a Nats fan and getting two catchers in return for Soto. 

after sending out Turner/Scherzer for a catcher last year lol

Conspiracy Theory: the Yankees are going to let Judge walk because they're going to replace him with Soto

56 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Conspiracy Theory: the Yankees are going to let Judge walk because they're going to replace him with Soto

Geesh.  Soto with that right field.

There are proposed trades from Sox fans on Twitter that consist of Colson, Cease/Kopech and Vaughn for Soto. These people are insane and idiots. That trade makes the sox 3-5 wins worse.

3 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

Conspiracy Theory: the Yankees are going to let Judge walk because they're going to replace him with Soto

Sox likely won't pay for him, but I'll take Judge

33 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

There are proposed trades from Sox fans on Twitter that consist of Colson, Cease/Kopech and Vaughn for Soto. These people are insane and idiots. That trade makes the sox 3-5 wins worse.

These twitter fans are laughable are not only insane idiots, but baseball ignorant. Losing that much for Soto would be more than 3-5 wins IMO!

Anyone here who still thinks this is worth it, needs to look at these players and their production and potential.

Cease is only 26 and arguably becoming one of the best pitchers in baseball.  

Colson Montgomery is 20 yrs old and last year's #1 pick who has slash lines between Kannapolis and Winston-Salem this year of:  at Kann - 45 games .324/.424/.476/.900 and at W-S - 18 games .323/438/538/.976

Vaughn is 24 and the 2020 #3 overall pick. His production speaks for itself, especially when you consider how huge is upside is never playing one day in the minors.

 

6 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said:

There are proposed trades from Sox fans on Twitter that consist of Colson, Cease/Kopech and Vaughn for Soto. These people are insane and idiots. That trade makes the sox 3-5 wins worse.

Wait until you see the replies from other teams in response to this tweet:

 

 

Montgomery, Colas, Vera, and Cespedes… and Burger and Sheets… 

For Soto and Corbin?

Steep as fuck.

12 minutes ago, MiddleCoastBias said:

Wait until you see the replies from other teams in response to this tweet:

 

 

AND HALF A BILLION DOLLARS 

I just looked up Corbin's numbers and remaining contract.....yikes.  Good luck with that ask Nats.

19 minutes ago, MiddleCoastBias said:

Wait until you see the replies from other teams in response to this tweet:

 

 

So Montgomery-Colas-Schultz-Vera plus Burger-Martin-Sheets get it done? I think I’d do it.

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

AND HALF A BILLION DOLLARS 

My favorite part is that no one commented something like "well sure the Nats WANT all of these things, but no one will be willing to OFFER all of that", instead they just all jumped in and offered their entire teams as tribute.