Dick Allen Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said: Knowing there are health issues, which we are not privy to, maybe this pick is a back-up plan for SS. Then again, if both make it to the majors. that's a nice problem to have. Plus one of them could bring a nice return of talent in a trade. The great thing about drafting SS is that most, if they can play SS, can play anywhere except P and C. Although, a guy like TA, would be a good C. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, A-Train to 35th said: Just leave his swing alone please...... Big time dead pull guy, but that is fine. We can hope and wish that they don't tinker with his swing, but unfortunately, we know the organization too well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 26 minutes ago, A-Train to 35th said: Just leave his swing alone please...... He looks kinda slow. I feel like he’s going to shift to 2B, which is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 40 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: He looks kinda slow. I feel like he’s going to shift to 2B, which is fine. That's fine with me, because we haven't had a 2B in how many years now! LOL 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 2 hours ago, caulfield12 said: 15. Chicago White Sox — Jacob Gonzalez, SS, Mississippi Grade: A Another player like Shaw and Teel where, regardless of spot, his selection would receive an A. Gonzalez had been talked about as a potential top-five pick before sliding all the way to No. 15. He has a well-rounded profile, with a bat that will hit for average and power and the ability to stay at shortstop. He might not have any tools that jump off the page, but he also has no major flaws, making him a very safe prospect here. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/mlb-draft-grades-2023-live-picks-results/a6nkkz2hshjegc3hg23rkefb I been watching a ton of video on Gonzalez and I don't see why some here are so negative on the pick. I've seen several videos showing his range and arm strength at short. IMO, it's impressive. Plus I don't give s%*# on his swing that many seem to criticize. I'm sorry, but the exit velocity on his hits and home runs is major league level. In the worst case scenario, if the Sox were to switch him to 2B with Montgomery at SS, how great would that be to have a 2B with power and BA with a good glove. When is the last time we ever had that type of 2B in a Sox uniform? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Capn12 said: Big time dead pull guy, but that is fine. We can hope and wish that they don't tinker with his swing, but unfortunately, we know the organization too well... I am always jealous when I watch dead pull lefties come into the Cell and rake homers to RF. It feels like....forever...since we've had one of those. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 53 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said: That's fine with me, because we haven't had a 2B in how many years now! LOL Yeah, I mean if he shifts to 2nd...if you have a LH 50-55 hit and power 2B with solid D that would be fine and playing at the rate his HR totals should be OK with his pull tendencies. Maybe high teens? IMO, between him and Montgomery one of them hopefully should stick at SS. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 40 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I am always jealous when I watch dead pull lefties come into the Cell and rake homers to RF. It feels like....forever...since we've had one of those. I expected lefties to be in high demand yesterday. An entire generation of left handed power hitters were neutralized by the shift and I wouldn't be shocked to learn that organizations are very short on them and doing everything they can to react to the new rules. Now maybe prognosticators were also on that train of thought when they were ranking draft prospects and went too far overrating any left handed power, but I was surprised any of them fell, and especially Gonzalez. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 He opens up early and steps in the bucket to artifically create power. You can get away with that against horseshit pitching and swinging a metal bat but big league pitchers would absolutely destroy him on the outer half of the plate. At least they know they have to fix his swing which is interesting because they also thought they had to fix Bradfields swing but Bradfield is twice the athlete Gonzalez is so why take Gonzalez over Bradfield. Because Gonzalez fills a need. That's an awful way to draft. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: He looks kinda slow. I feel like he’s going to shift to 2B, which is fine. With the caveat that even the absolute best people in the business fail at this constantly my issues with Gonzo are this: If he's not a SS (and imo looking at his film and reports he's not in MLB) then he's a 2B or 3B. At 2B he'd need to be league average defensively in order to be a solid regular as I don't see how he projects as much more than a 260/310/400 hitter. If he's a 3B with the same slash line he better be elite defensively. I dunno, he just seems destined to be utility guy most of the time, maybe a league average player 1/3 and he has zero star potential it seems. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: He opens up early and steps in the bucket to artifically create power. You can get away with that against horseshit pitching and swinging a metal bat but big league pitchers would absolutely destroy him on the outer half of the plate. At least they know they have to fix his swing which is interesting because they also thought they had to fix Bradfields swing but Bradfield is twice the athlete Gonzalez is so why take Gonzalez over Bradfield. Because Gonzalez fills a need. That's an awful way to draft. Bradfield doesn't fill a need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: With the caveat that even the absolute best people in the business fail at this constantly my issues with Gonzo are this: If he's not a SS (and imo looking at his film and reports he's not in MLB) then he's a 2B or 3B. At 2B he'd need to be league average defensively in order to be a solid regular as I don't see how he projects as much more than a 260/310/400 hitter. If he's a 3B with the same slash line he better be elite defensively. I dunno, he just seems destined to be utility guy most of the time, maybe a league average player 1/3 and he has zero star potential it seems. I would only ever draft high upside SP, SS, and CF in the early rounds of the draft. Swing for the fences and try to get difference makers. I wouldn't be drafting players at those positions and saying "He probably can't play there in the majors but we can just make him a 2B". That's a fail to me. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 minute ago, T R U said: I would only ever draft high upside SP, SS, and CF in the early rounds of the draft. Swing for the fences and try to get difference makers. I wouldn't be drafting players at those positions and saying "He probably can't play there in the majors but we can just make him a 2B". That's a fail to me. You would have passed on players like Alex Bregman then. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, bmags said: Bradfield doesn't fill a need? They have a CF. 2B is a black hole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, bmags said: You would have passed on players like Alex Bregman then. Well, he was a SS in college so he fits what I was saying. I am not an MLB draft guru so I couldnt tell you if thought process was he couldnt stick there in MLB. I know the Astros already had Correa who had just won ROY at SS so I dont know if it means Bregman couldnt play there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 14 minutes ago, bmags said: Bradfield doesn't fill a need? When everything's a need, you can say any pick is the Sox drafting for need. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 There's a difference between we have 2 really good SS one of them has to move to 2B and we drafted this guy to play SS but he just cant cut it, hes going to have to move to 2B. A first round pick is a premium pick, try to get a premium player. And this isn't aimed at Gonzalez personally, if his bat is as good as they think I would of course take it at 2B. I just wouldn't be targeting bats at lesser positions, feels like you could find that elsewhere in the draft or trade/FA. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, T R U said: ... And this isn't aimed at Gonzalez personally, if his bat is as good as they think I would of course take it at 2B. I just wouldn't be targeting bats at lesser positions, feels like you could find that elsewhere in the draft or trade/FA. Spoiler Edited July 10, 2023 by chitownsportsfan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Just now, chitownsportsfan said: Hide contents I knew that was coming after I posted it, I almost went back in and edited it to say "unless youre the White Sox of course." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 3 hours ago, A-Train to 35th said: Just leave his swing alone please...... He looks like a Japanese-style hitter to my eyes...that sort of drift out of the box during the swing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Just now, mmmmmbeeer said: He looks like a Japanese-style hitter to my eyes...that sort of drift out of the box during the swing. I always think of Ichiro with that type of swing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 so Keener, the pitcher from WF. Not an awful pick, it is what it is....college kids from here on out, the safe plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Just now, Capn12 said: so Keener, the pitcher from WF. Not an awful pick, it is what it is....college kids from here on out, the safe plays. also the cheap plays. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 I'd be SHOCKED if a HS kid is taken, the rest of the way. Sad that we know how the organization works, no matter who is in 'charge' of the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Capn12 said: I'd be SHOCKED if a HS kid is taken, the rest of the way. Sad that we know how the organization works, no matter who is in 'charge' of the draft. Does JR have anybody in his ear that can explain to him the concept of spending money to make money? Maybe he does but he's just too focused on the 2-5 year timeline he has left in his life. If the Sox had a better farm system, if they spent more on the draft, International academies, foreign scouting and on and on -- it means a better winning percentage at the big league level eventually. And that means more fans through the gates, more Miller Lite sold and better TV revenue. Sadly, I'm getting the impression that JR really doesn't see much future for the Sox. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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