TaylorStSox Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, WestEddy said: WTF does any of this mean? How did "rape" and "abuse" become "politics"? You do understand that most of baseball's population identifies as "Christian", right? Set up? There was a famous baseball groupie who was asked, in the 80's, which players were true to their wives. She said Dale Murphy, and that was all she could come up with. One guy out of 700+. That probably holds true to today, 700 millionaires, having sex on the road, doing all sorts of kinks, but only two guys are called out? Explain that to me. The people on this site love data. So many good ole' boys. So many guys who have been worshipped from little league on. Woman everywhere. But only "2" guys were set up? How does that happen? Do you think these are the only two guys in the game who are abusive? Do you not think there are dozens of "men's rights" guys all over the game who also love the rough stuff, but somehow aren't "set up"? These are millionaires. With agents. With teams coaching these guys on protocol. Explain this to me. I don't give a s%*# about infidelity. I do give a s%*# about abuse and nothing has shown that Clevinger and Bauer are abusers. If a woman consents to rough, consensual sex, that's not abuse. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 18 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: You realize women have agency to have sex in any way they deem fit, right? You realize that people who are multi-millionaires can screen their paramours, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 33 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: I don't give a s%*# about infidelity. I do give a s%*# about abuse and nothing has shown that Clevinger and Bauer are abusers. If a woman consents to rough, consensual sex, that's not abuse. But it's weird that only two dudes out of, perhaps, many who like BDSM, choking, or any other kinks - got targeted. Why do you think that is? Choking is a big porn thing. Do you think that only 2 guys in the bigs are into that? Weird how, with the sex trade that goes on in the NBA, nothing like this comes to light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 43 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: I don't give a s%*# about infidelity. I do give a s%*# about abuse and nothing has shown that Clevinger and Bauer are abusers. If a woman consents to rough, consensual sex, that's not abuse. This is stupid. A lot has shown the two are abusive. If you give a "sh*t", as you say, about abuse, why are you protective of the only two guys who have been singled out of over 700 mlb players to be abusive? If you cared about "abuse", as you say, the cases of two guys in baseball who have been accused and who have been ostracized, would catch your notice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 11 minutes ago, WestEddy said: This is stupid. A lot has shown the two are abusive. If you give a "sh*t", as you say, about abuse, why are you protective of the only two guys who have been singled out of over 700 mlb players to be abusive? If you cared about "abuse", as you say, the cases of two guys in baseball who have been accused and who have been ostracized, would catch your notice. It's been proven that Bauer was targeted. The issue with Bauer is that he he seems uncoachable. He's going to do whatever the hell he wants. They loved the theatrics in Japan, but if he's going to do it here, he better be Cy Young Bauer, not mediocre Bauer. Clevinger is a bit different as his accuser is an ex. MLB investigated his case exhaustively and cleared him. I'm not sure what else he can do. Playing "Gold Digger" was insensitive as hell, but it's also an act of somebody who's pretty confident they're innocent. Edited March 15 by TaylorStSox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimpton Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 No matter whether he was innocent or not of the allegations re-signing Clevinger doesn't suggest the 'new start' and 'new attitude' that Getz has been big on over this closed season. Considering the WS will not be winning or contending anyway this season signing a player with this sort of baggage who is not exactly going to transform the team is needless. 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 7 minutes ago, Chimpton said: No matter whether he was innocent or not of the allegations re-signing Clevinger doesn't suggest the 'new start' and 'new attitude' that Getz has been big on over this closed season. Considering the WS will not be winning or contending anyway this season signing a player with this sort of baggage who is not exactly going to transform the team is needless. Doesn't that depend on whether Clevinger was a good teammate? He's been around and had a lot of success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimpton Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, TaylorStSox said: Doesn't that depend on whether Clevinger was a good teammate? He's been around and had a lot of success. Its not a question of being a 'good teammate', he could be the best guy in the clubhouse, which is unlikely given that no other team will touch him, the whole off field nonsense is not what you want around a supposedly rebuilding team looking for a fresh start. As for being a 'success' he was hardly 'lights out' last season and once again no other team seems interested in his talents, he is at best a 3 or 4 starter these days. In addition it would be far better to give a younger player MLB exposure this seaon considering the WS are going to be losing anyway. Clevinger is hardly going to transform the team into contenders this season so why bring him back? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Love how this turned into a Trevor Bauer thread and a dissertation about what consensual sex is. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Bring him in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nardiwashere Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Bauer was always a dbag. In addition to the allegations, he just seems like the absolute worst person to deal with on a daily basis. I want no part of him. Even if he is innocent of all charges (I'm not saying he is), he is such an egotistical loudmouth.... he'd be blabbering about it all season, flying his drones into scoreboards, and boasting about cheating etc. Clevinger is not someone I would want dating my sister and I personally would not want to hang out with him... but his situation seems different than Bauer. I always saw Giolito and Cease hanging out with him and talking. Those two guys don't seem like the type to be friendly with a child abuser or wife beater. Maybe they were just being cordial because he was a co-worker but from the outside, it didn't look like he was some outcast. They have spent too much time talking about changing the culture and vibes... He isn't good enough and the team isn't close enough to winning to waste money on signing him if he's as bad of a dude as the public thinks. Besides, unlike Hahn, Getz strikes me as a guy who would care more about character. I imagine the team knows more about that whole story than the public. Would I sign him? Probably not... but if they did, they are doing it after having him in the clubhouse for a season and knowing more about him. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 On 3/15/2024 at 1:09 AM, TaylorStSox said: I don't give a s%*# about infidelity. I do give a s%*# about abuse and nothing has shown that Clevinger and Bauer are abusers. If a woman consents to rough, consensual sex, that's not abuse. And if you consent to some rough sex you consent to everything including being choked until you pass out then continuing to have sex while unconscious? Let me help you with that. 1:10 in will get to the important part. I actually give a s%*# about infidelity and would never cheat on my spouse. But you be you. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 This post was recognized by Texsox! southsider2k5 was awarded the badge 'Helpful' and 25 points. Do we really need to waste time on Bauer? The Sox haven't even shown interest. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Bauer's problem, as much as his off field baggage, is that he's a complete douchebag in the Nick Swisher type (except worse) casting and his team mates and coaches all hate his guts. It's one thing to be a "free spirit" when you're on top of the game (likely due to "sticky stuff") it's another to do it when you're just another guy in the rotation ,at best. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinky Stanky Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 On 3/15/2024 at 12:22 AM, WestEddy said: I think Wil Cordero was the first WTF! dude in my White sox life, even though, Jungle Jim Rivera (I think, Liptak can help here) was an accused rapist when Bill Veeck signed him and made excuses for him. Baseball's fun. I don't want to root for dudes, and bring the youngin's in my family out to spend time rooting for, who have raped, strangled, abused, shot at, beat up, or abandoned the women in their life. I get it. You're rock stars. The p*ssy's being thrown at you. Learn how to deal with it. People are bringing their kids to watch you and cheer for you. Into the rough stuff? Be real careful. You got a multi-million dollar career floating on that. The insecure, barn-yard, rat-soup-eatin', MFin' bro-dudes who feel the need to root for that sh*t because it somehow makes them feel stronger, I don't even know how to respond to that. Get help! Rivera was sentenced to 4 years in a military prison for attempted rape of an officer's daughter. That would account for him being a 29 year old rookie. It's a while ago, but the Sox were told by MLB to keep him on the Sox roster and not farm him out. Nice guy. I met him once. Clevinger takes the ball every 5 days and gives you a chance to win. Plus he's not in jail or close to it. Judge not lest you be judged. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScootsMcGoots Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 On 3/15/2024 at 2:09 AM, TaylorStSox said: I don't give a s%*# about infidelity. I do give a s%*# about abuse and nothing has shown that Clevinger and Bauer are abusers. If a woman consents to rough, consensual sex, that's not abuse. Geeze I hope you aren't married 😂 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) 23 hours ago, Texsox said: And if you consent to some rough sex you consent to everything including being choked until you pass out then continuing to have sex while unconscious? Let me help you with that. I actually give a s%*# about infidelity and would never cheat on my spouse. But you be you. 2 minutes ago, ScootsMcGoots said: Geeze I hope you aren't married 😂 I’m sure he meant in terms of a professional athlete that is doing his job well, not infidelity in general. Edited March 16 by Milkman delivers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 So is Clevengers problem his accusations against him or that he still wants too much money? Or a combo? Chapman has had no problem getting jobs abd he fireda gun at a woman or at least tried to scare her. And now he's on TMZ fondling his mother's breasts. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 21 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: So is Clevengers problem his accusations against him or that he still wants too much money? Or a combo? Chapman has had no problem getting jobs abd he fireda gun at a woman or at least tried to scare her. And now he's on TMZ fondling his mother's breasts. The f***? Very glad I don’t know any details about that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScootsMcGoots Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 1 hour ago, Milkman delivers said: I’m sure he meant in terms of a professional athlete that is doing his job well, not infidelity in general. I'm sure he did. It was a joke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 47 minutes ago, Milkman delivers said: The f***? Very glad I don’t know any details about that. Yeah this was right before the Cubs traded for him. I do think teams are paying more attention to this now, thanks to both stricter league policies and incidents like Bauer and Clevinger where teams didn’t do their homework before a signing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 14 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Yeah this was right before the Cubs traded for him. I do think teams are paying more attention to this now, thanks to both stricter league policies and incidents like Bauer and Clevinger where teams didn’t do their homework before a signing. Somebody posted in the last couple of days about guys keeping their heads down, and just playing. If they let the issue dwindle away, teams will stash them on the roster. A guy like Bauer who is just too out there, taunting tween girls online about their looks, I don't think a team wants to deal with that. Clevenger is just a shitty teammate. I remember when Brett Lawrie was on the Sox. Abreu hit a key home run, and the dugout went nuts. Lawrie was the first out to hug Abreu, and Jose put his arms out to stop him. You could clearly see Abreu telling Lawrie to back off and get away. I see Clevenger as that level of pariah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 12 hours ago, Stinky Stanky said: Clevinger takes the ball every 5 days and gives you a chance to win. Plus he's not in jail or close to it. Judge not lest you be judged. Missed this one last night. Clevinger most certainly does not take the ball every 5th day, he missed nearly all of July last year and has had TJS twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 19 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Somebody posted in the last couple of days about guys keeping their heads down, and just playing. If they let the issue dwindle away, teams will stash them on the roster. A guy like Bauer who is just too out there, taunting tween girls online about their looks, I don't think a team wants to deal with that. Clevenger is just a shitty teammate. I remember when Brett Lawrie was on the Sox. Abreu hit a key home run, and the dugout went nuts. Lawrie was the first out to hug Abreu, and Jose put his arms out to stop him. You could clearly see Abreu telling Lawrie to back off and get away. I see Clevenger as that level of pariah. Regardless of exactly why, the league has been super clear on this. Clevinger was actually a pretty good pitcher last year when healthy. Despite teams being desperate for pitching last year, he wasn’t moved at the deadline when the white Sox could have paid part of his contract, he wasn’t picked up on waivers when a team would have owed him about $6 million for September and the playoffs, and he’s unsigned now. The Dodgers gave up two actual pitching prospects to take on nearly $10 million for Lynn and Kelly and despite their rotation being a bunch of corpses by September they wanted no part of him. Someone may still sign him, but from the perspective of the White Sox, if they sign him and he’s quite good, he’s still likely untradeable. You spend money on him, get 150 really good innings, and zero guys who could contribute to your next winning team. The White Sox are better off using those innings on waiver claims and churning that 40 man roster Spot for the year. While not guaranteed, at least that gives some chance of finding a piece that improves Them long term. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: The White Sox are better off using those innings on waiver claims and churning that 40 man roster Spot for the year. While not guaranteed, at least that gives some chance of finding a piece that improves Them long term. Totally. I would much rather see if Woodford or Kuhl could turn into something, either to trade, or eat innings until the prospects arrive than watch Clevenger. The Sox have way too many options to fart around with an idiot, good innings or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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