December 18, 20241 yr 13 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Nah they'll go over. It's really hard to be that bad again. Au contraire. They lost their best pitcher, and they have Vargas for the whole year.
December 18, 20241 yr It's so hard to lose that many games... I'd take the over. I may actually wait until a Robert trade so it's drops to like 46.5 then jump
December 18, 20241 yr I don't think they can be that bad again, either. This should be a normal bad team, even given they traded some of the only good players from last year. Then again, it IS a Chicago sports team.
December 18, 20241 yr Author 5 other seasons since 1960 have ended with a team in the 40's for wins besides the White Sox last year. No team has ever done it back to back. Then again, no team had ever lost 121 games in one season either, so who knows.
December 18, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: I knew that screenshot of Vargas would live on in infamy the moment I saw it. Poor guy. Had to have been a real mind f*** going from the Dodgers to this. And only +3000 to make playoffs? What kind of fool would take that
December 18, 20241 yr Seems absurd that any team could lose that many games in back to back seasons but if anyone can do it, it's this organization. I might not bet the under but I'm definitely not betting the over.
December 18, 20241 yr I think i would take the over. An even remotely competent bullpen, which can be assembled by pure luck, will beat it.
December 18, 20241 yr Odds are they will be highet, but this is an offensively challenged team who may have to choose a gut like Davis Martin or Jonathan Cannon to be their Opening Day starter. I wouldn't bet against it. I thought they couldn't play worse when they went 81-81. Then t thought they would have to try to be worse than 61-101.41-121, I just think nothinh.
December 18, 20241 yr On one hand, no Pedro. On the other hand: They'll need Venable to hit the ground running, several RoY contenders, and monstrous development from starters and relievers alike. And that's to get out of the basement.
December 18, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’d take the over at the moment. Can you explain why? This team has no starting pitching, no bullpen, and most likely no offense when Robert is inevitably moved. They will have a roster full of kids who need to develop and AAAA level players. This, somehow, is going to be a worse roster than the 41 win team they put on the field last season.
December 18, 20241 yr So that would have them averaging about 2 wins a week for the season....I'm not sure if that is crazy or optimistic. I am going to have to think about this one some more.
December 18, 20241 yr 52 minutes ago, WBWSF said: It seems like ownership/management are losing games on purpose. Like I was told last week after the Crochet deal by a long time front office executive, "All Jerry wants now is to leave as much money as possible for his family and grand children." All you can do is hope to outlive him and hope for better days.
December 18, 20241 yr 24 minutes ago, wegner said: So that would have them averaging about 2 wins a week for the season....I'm not sure if that is crazy or optimistic. I am going to have to think about this one some more. Normal “really bad or young rosters” tend to come in high 40s or 50 wins. Thats what the As, Orioles wound up at. It took the truly epic dysfunction and poor strategy for the White Sox to be dramatically worse than that. If they behave as a normal bad team, 50 wins is normal. You might hope that adding in some youth might help, but losing Crochet and Fedde has to matter as well.
December 18, 20241 yr Just under. I expect the offense and bullpen to be a little better, but the starting pitching to be much worse.
December 18, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, T R U said: Can you explain why? This team has no starting pitching, no bullpen, and most likely no offense when Robert is inevitably moved. They will have a roster full of kids who need to develop and AAAA level players. This, somehow, is going to be a worse roster than the 41 win team they put on the field last season. A team full of replacement players should win 48 games. I feel pretty good that we will be a positive WAR team next and therefore should exceed the 49 win O/U assuming normal luck. While the team will still be really bad, there are more above replacement level talents on it than last year.
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