T R U Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 29 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Finally, a take that doesn't age poorly. Meh, Vargas is hitting .245 with a .767 OPS and that took a massive hot streak to even get to those mediocre numbers. Ill believe it when I see it sustained, but it is better than watching him hit .190 and be totally worthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 7 minutes ago, T R U said: Meh, Vargas is hitting .245 with a .767 OPS and that took a massive hot streak to even get to those mediocre numbers. Ill believe it when I see it sustained, but it is better than watching him hit .190 and be totally worthless. I agree but at least he’s been good since making the adjustments. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted May 30 Author Share Posted May 30 44 minutes ago, T R U said: Meh, Vargas is hitting .245 with a .767 OPS and that took a massive hot streak to even get to those mediocre numbers. Ill believe it when I see it sustained, but it is better than watching him hit .190 and be totally worthless. Some clear measurable changes made prior to that hot stretch. He has a 118 wRC+, and he's on a 3+ WAR pace despite the tough start. The Sox need 3-4 win players desperately, and Vargas is trending in that direction. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 37 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Some clear measurable changes made prior to that hot stretch. He has a 118 wRC+, and he's on a 3+ WAR pace despite the tough start. The Sox need 3-4 win players desperately, and Vargas is trending in that direction. Sure, its definitely positive what he has done over the stretch. I would just like to see it last the rest of the season before believing hand placement has all of the sudden turned him into a superstar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 On 5/30/2025 at 10:44 AM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Just a little mid-year update. Crochet is the 4th best pitcher in MLB so far, and it's between Skubal, him and Skenes for most valuable arm in baseball. Meidroth has been worth 1.1 fWAR in 33 games with a 111 wRC+. That's a really nice pace and Meidroth might be a 3-4 win consistent performer. He will likely need to find a little more contact authority or defenses will adjust and it will hamper his production, but he's shown enough for me to believe that could happen. Teel has a 127 wRC+ in AAA. Given the Sox depth at catcher, I always found this to be an odd centerpiece. All in all though, Teel has maintained his status and projection but don't believe he's taken any steps up in status. Montgomery has a 143 wRC+ in A+. I think it's clear that Montgomery will be more highly rated come mid-season update than he was pre-season. How he performs at AA will be big for his projection/expectation going forward. Gonzalez, like all other pitching prospects, can't throw strikes. If he doesn't improve his zone control, he will not be worth anything. All in all, I think the winner is still clearly the team getting the generational talent BUT Meidroth will really lift the floor of this trade if he continues on his path. We still need to see success from Teel AND Montgomery to make this a win given the uniqueness of Crochet's skills. The one thing I will add to this on the Boston side is the extention, which was not cheap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 12 Author Share Posted July 12 At the midway point, Crochet puts an exclamation point on his half with a CGSO 3 hitter. He's now tied for second most fWAR behind only Skubal, and clearly one of the four horseman that exist today: Wheeler, Skenes, Skubal, Crochet. The clear cut best arms in the game. Meidroth has regressed quite a bit, but Teel has looked solid. The outcome of this trade is going to come down to Montgomery who has been toolsy and successful for level and age but hes regressed a bit. For me, it's still a significant loser given the age and status of Crochet. He is a rare talent that does not come around often. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 I have no regrets on trading Crochet. Only had two seasons before free agency, limited track record of success, and significant injury history. I wish him the best but it made no sense for the Sox to hang onto him given how soon he hits free agency and how little sense it would make for the Sox to give him a long-term, high-dollar extension like the Red Sox chose to. Whether these particular players pan out, I don't know. That's the occupational hazard. But trading him was the right decision and the perceived value of the players the Sox received exceeded my expectations. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 58 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: At the midway point, Crochet puts an exclamation point on his half with a CGSO 3 hitter. He's now tied for second most fWAR behind only Skubal, and clearly one of the four horseman that exist today: Wheeler, Skenes, Skubal, Crochet. The clear cut best arms in the game. Meidroth has regressed quite a bit, but Teel has looked solid. The outcome of this trade is going to come down to Montgomery who has been toolsy and successful for level and age but hes regressed a bit. For me, it's still a significant loser given the age and status of Crochet. He is a rare talent that does not come around often. Yeah Montgomery isn’t hitting for the power I thought he would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 13 Author Share Posted July 13 1 hour ago, Jake said: I have no regrets on trading Crochet. Only had two seasons before free agency, limited track record of success, and significant injury history. I wish him the best but it made no sense for the Sox to hang onto him given how soon he hits free agency and how little sense it would make for the Sox to give him a long-term, high-dollar extension like the Red Sox chose to. Whether these particular players pan out, I don't know. That's the occupational hazard. But trading him was the right decision and the perceived value of the players the Sox received exceeded my expectations. I have no idea what this means. Crochet is 26 years old. If the Sox wont be good on his contract period they should just fold up. Signing crochet would obviously make a ton of sense to anyone who hasn't lost their mind being a white sox fan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 29 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I have no idea what this means. Crochet is 26 years old. If the Sox wont be good on his contract period they should just fold up. Signing crochet would obviously make a ton of sense to anyone who hasn't lost their mind being a white sox fan. My opinion on this probably would change had I known Ishbia was going to eventually take control but at the time it was still the JR show, which meant he wasn't going to agree to a long term, big money extension. So under those parameters Getz really had no choice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 3 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: At the midway point, Crochet puts an exclamation point on his half with a CGSO 3 hitter. He's now tied for second most fWAR behind only Skubal, and clearly one of the four horseman that exist today: Wheeler, Skenes, Skubal, Crochet. The clear cut best arms in the game. Meidroth has regressed quite a bit, but Teel has looked solid. The outcome of this trade is going to come down to Montgomery who has been toolsy and successful for level and age but hes regressed a bit. For me, it's still a significant loser given the age and status of Crochet. He is a rare talent that does not come around often. Just like Sale. Damn if these fools knew how to run a team, keep players happy, and pay well, they could have a starting rotation/depth of Crochet, Sale, Rodon, ReyLo, Cease, Giolito. I know some of those dudes are hurt or haven't been at the top pf their game this year (Gio's been good lately), but so many damn good arms have come through the south side and we just trade them all away because we suck. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 57 minutes ago, Ducksnort said: Just like Sale. Damn if these fools knew how to run a team, keep players happy, and pay well, they could have a starting rotation/depth of Crochet, Sale, Rodon, ReyLo, Cease, Giolito. I know some of those dudes are hurt or haven't been at the top pf their game this year (Gio's been good lately), but so many damn good arms have come through the south side and we just trade them all away because we suck. Cubs would like to have Cease back. These fools know how to ruin an organization. We somehow want to believe good players would like to be here but the organization is toxic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEANS Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Yeah with his 3-9 record and SD fans want no part of him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 4 hours ago, MEANS said: Yeah with his 3-9 record and SD fans want no part of him SD can have Getz’s trade return back for Cease. 🤮 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Sale.Cease,Rodon,Crochet, Bassitt. Not a bad starting 5. What did we get in return? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 7 hours ago, soxrwhite said: Sale.Cease,Rodon,Crochet, Bassitt. Not a bad starting 5. What did we get in return? Meidroth 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 28 Author Share Posted July 28 After being an honorable mention last year, Crochet moved up to #17 on fangraphs trade value series --- with his contract. Crochet has certainly gained more value since the Sox traded him, but he remains polarizing because of any perceived injury concern. In this case though, I'd argue the Sox made the wrong gamble with Crochet but that doesn't mean they cant come out ok from the trade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: After being an honorable mention last year, Crochet moved up to #17 on fangraphs trade value series --- with his contract. Crochet has certainly gained more value since the Sox traded him, but he remains polarizing because of any perceived injury concern. In this case though, I'd argue the Sox made the wrong gamble with Crochet but that doesn't mean they cant come out ok from the trade. 3/4 of the guys they got have made it to the majors. That’s more than what they got out of the Sale trade. And the last guy who hasn’t was basically the main piece. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: After being an honorable mention last year, Crochet moved up to #17 on fangraphs trade value series --- with his contract. Crochet has certainly gained more value since the Sox traded him, but he remains polarizing because of any perceived injury concern. In this case though, I'd argue the Sox made the wrong gamble with Crochet but that doesn't mean they cant come out ok from the trade. Truly don’t understand how you can say they made the wrong gamble already. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 30 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: 3/4 of the guys they got have made it to the majors. That’s more than what they got out of the Sale trade. And the last guy who hasn’t was basically the main piece. Luis Basabe made the majors! It was just for the Giants. And he was bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 52 minutes ago, Quin said: Luis Basabe made the majors! It was just for the Giants. And he was bad. But not for the Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 29 Author Share Posted July 29 39 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Truly don’t understand how you can say they made the wrong gamble already. Because he is worth more today post extension than he was worth pre-trade. Doesn't mean they can't do well in the trade they did make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Not exactly counting on W.Gonzalez to do much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 10 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Because he is worth more today post extension than he was worth pre-trade. Doesn't mean they can't do well in the trade they did make That's a pretty big contract to call a value added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 29 Author Share Posted July 29 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: That's a pretty big contract to call a value added. Well, take it up with the ranking he received. I'd usually hesitate to cite anything publicly available as a good barometer, but they do a good job communicating with team leaders throughout the league and getting a good baseline. It seems undeniable that he's worth more today than he was even 5 months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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