I’m tired of these types of posts

[southsider2k5]

44 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

The Oakland a's aren't the Oakland a's anymore because of how mismanaged the organization had become. The fanhood dwindled down over years and became irrelevant. Thats the path this organization is dangerously walking along. 

Congratulations. The Sox fans are in line with a team who moved cities before even having a city ready, and the Pirates who are a dead franchise. 

But be ready for the stern talking to about feeling that way.  Everything is FINE!  This was all EXPECTED!  SMILE DAMN IT!

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

22 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I don't think a single person on this board has said this. You're not only choosing a strawman to fight you're picking one with no arms. 

If I remember correctly, you're the one who is perpetually perplexed by the people who aren't regularly enraged. 

I'm certainly not enraged. Im disappointed though. I use to watch 150+ games a year and loved investing that time. 

Now I haven't watched 10 full games in two years. I miss it but dont enjoy investing in things that dont invest in themselves. 

[Tony]

57 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

1) care about record - It's a rebuild. I'm not going to wail about 100 loss seasons, or another losing record, or losses over the last 3 years. Yes, I would like them to be improving, which, I guess, is "caring" about win-loss record. It's not a major concern in my life where I have to express, on a daily basis, that I actively angry about something I can't control. 

2a) Tauchman/Slater HRs - Yes, he filled RF for the first time in about 8 years with players who put up around 2 bWAR, for a minimal amount of money. That's phenomenal. 

2b) Tauchman was signed for 2025. That he's even being considered to bring back next year is a positive. If he's a bench piece, that still works. If he's traded in the off-season, as good. If they just non-tender him, not the most optimal choice, but he still brought value in 2025. Stabilized RF and brought veteran leadership. I'm not sure how anybody can portray what he brought to the team this season as less than a huge positive. 

I don't really know what's confusing about this. Should I have called it a triple? Should I have said, "Getz didn't deserve his job, and the jury's still out, but Tauchman was a slight positive in 2015"? It seems like a pretty simple concept to me. Getz filled RF with around 2 bWAR for a very small amount of money. I don't generally see people making the guy explain how he thinks Getz is too stupid to even evaluate baseball players, or making people square up "Reinsdorf will never sign a free agent again" with the payrolls he ran when the team was winning. 

Tauchman and Slater were great signings. 

But if wins and losses don’t matter during a rebuild, what does “stabilizing” RF with a 34 year old lottery ticket that may or may not be in their plans for next year, and certainly not play a role for the organization when they post their next above .500 record…actually do for the team? Because again, you were the one who brought up yesterday that bringing back Robert in 2026 takes away playing time from younger players looking for an opportunity. How can the same not be said about a 35 year old Mike Tauchman?

Bigger picture, generally in sports, wins and losses is how things are measured. The rules can change slightly when we’re talking about a team actively ripping down their roster, with the intention of having more sustained success down the line. So if wins and losses aren’t of concern for the White Sox at this point in time…if the Sox don’t obtain a future asset for Mike Tauchman, say he does play for the Sox next year, becomes a true FA because of service time, and they elect not to bring back a 36 year old outfielder…what did it do to help the organizations goals? I’m failing to grasp what “stabilizing” RF with a stop gap OF does to help the long term growth of the team, and again, simply going off of what you have posted about in the last few days. 

[hogan873]

I feel that someone could start a thread about how puppies are cute and make you smile, and it would devolve into hate and name-calling and a huge fight about the state of the Sox.

What has this team done to us?

[DoUEvenShift]

37 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

The pessimists are (and I'm one of them)

Never would have guessed! 

[WestEddy]

5 minutes ago, Tony said:

But if wins and losses don’t matter during a rebuild, what does “stabilizing” RF with a 34 year old lottery ticket that may or may not be in their plans for next year, and certainly not play a role for the organization when they post their next above .500 record…actually do for the team? Because again, you were the one who brought up yesterday that bringing back Robert in 2026 takes away playing time from younger players looking for an opportunity. How can the same not be said about a 35 year old Mike Tauchman?

Bigger picture, generally in sports, wins and losses is how things are measured. The rules can change slightly when we’re talking about a team actively ripping down their roster, with the intention of having more sustained success down the line. So if wins and losses aren’t of concern for the White Sox at this point in time…if the Sox don’t obtain a future asset for Mike Tauchman, say he does play for the Sox next year, becomes a true FA because of service time, and they elect not to bring back a 36 year old outfielder…what did it do to help the organizations goals? I’m failing to grasp what “stabilizing” RF with a stop gap OF does to help the long term growth of the team, and again, simply going off of what you have posted about in the last few days. 

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you really do understand the difference between saying that "losses don't matter during a rebuild" but steadily building a team's momentum during a rebuild. 

Tauchman wasn't taking playing time away from anybody in 2025. 

How did he help the org? Veteran leadership, filled a position. Do you think that a rookie OPSing .500 and dropping everything that is hit to him helps fans be entertained by the team? You're going to have to help me understand how guys who are screaming about actual prospects making mistakes want to plug in the non-prospects we have to set more loss records and make even more mistakes. 

 

[Lip Man 1]

6 minutes ago, hogan873 said:

I feel that someone could start a thread about how puppies are cute and make you smile, and it would devolve into hate and name-calling and a huge fight about the state of the Sox.

What has this team done to us?

It's called losing, incompetence, dysfunction and ineptness for a sustained period of time. 

[DoUEvenShift]

6 minutes ago, hogan873 said:

I feel that someone could start a thread about how puppies are cute and make you smile, and it would devolve into hate and name-calling and a huge fight about the state of the Sox.

What has this team done to us?

How dare you have a puppy. You should only be getting adult rescues that are stuck in shelters. YOU ARE KILLING THEM WITH YOUR OWN HANDS WHEN YOU HAVE A PUPPY

But yea. When(if) this team is good again i'm sure 99% of the hate/name calling will be gone.

[Lip Man 1]

1 minute ago, DoUEvenShift said:

How dare you have a puppy. You should only be getting adult rescues that are stuck in shelters. YOU ARE KILLING THEM WITH YOUR OWN HANDS WHEN YOU HAVE A PUPPY

But yea. When(if) this team is good again i'm sure 99% of the hate/name calling will be gone.

Absolutely agree with you. Of course by the time the team is good again some of us may no longer be above ground. 😆

[T R U]

Just now, WestEddy said:

I'm gonna go ahead and assume you really do understand the difference between saying that "losses don't matter during a rebuild" but steadily building a team's momentum during a rebuild. 

Tauchman wasn't taking playing time away from anybody in 2025. 

How did he help the org? Veteran leadership, filled a position. Do you think that a rookie OPSing .500 and dropping everything that is hit to him helps fans be entertained by the team? You're going to have to help me understand how guys who are screaming about actual prospects making mistakes want to plug in the non-prospects we have to set more loss records and make even more mistakes. 

Knowing what I know now that they would in fact not trade Mike Tauchman regardless of how well he performed, I would have rather seen the likes of DeLoach, Fletcher, Julks, etc. out in RF all year since that has more value to the long term goals of the franchise.

I don't think there is anything more overrated in sports than a "veteran presence". These are professionals, not high school kids needing a mentor.

[kitekrazy]

5 minutes ago, T R U said:

Knowing what I know now that they would in fact not trade Mike Tauchman regardless of how well he performed, I would have rather seen the likes of DeLoach, Fletcher, Julks, etc. out in RF all year since that has more value to the long term goals of the franchise.

I don't think there is anything more overrated in sports than a "veteran presence". These are professionals, not high school kids needing a mentor.

 I can't agree with this. Many are kids making professional money. There's a reason why many great players wont or stopped coaching.

[southsider2k5]

8 minutes ago, T R U said:

Knowing what I know now that they would in fact not trade Mike Tauchman regardless of how well he performed, I would have rather seen the likes of DeLoach, Fletcher, Julks, etc. out in RF all year since that has more value to the long term goals of the franchise.

I don't think there is anything more overrated in sports than a "veteran presence". These are professionals, not high school kids needing a mentor.

And if they are, it means their Coaches need to find a new line of work.

[T R U]

Just now, kitekrazy said:

 I can't agree with this. Many are kids making professional money. There's a reason why many great players wont or stopped coaching.

See SS2K post above, this is a 25 man roster with experienced baseball people throughout the staff. That's their job.

[kitekrazy]

4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

And if they are, it means their Coaches need to find a new line of work.

many are forced too if they don't coddle certain players

[southsider2k5]

33 minutes ago, Tony said:

But if wins and losses don’t matter during a rebuild, what does “stabilizing” RF with a 34 year old lottery ticket that may or may not be in their plans for next year, and certainly not play a role for the organization when they post their next above .500 record…actually do for the team? Because again, you were the one who brought up yesterday that bringing back Robert in 2026 takes away playing time from younger players looking for an opportunity. How can the same not be said about a 35 year old Mike Tauchman?

Bigger picture, generally in sports, wins and losses is how things are measured. The rules can change slightly when we’re talking about a team actively ripping down their roster, with the intention of having more sustained success down the line. So if wins and losses aren’t of concern for the White Sox at this point in time…if the Sox don’t obtain a future asset for Mike Tauchman, say he does play for the Sox next year, becomes a true FA because of service time, and they elect not to bring back a 36 year old outfielder…what did it do to help the organizations goals? I’m failing to grasp what “stabilizing” RF with a stop gap OF does to help the long term growth of the team, and again, simply going off of what you have posted about in the last few days. 

It's why the Slater deal was better.  They actually got a potentially useful piece for the next half decade, vs a roster spot filled.

[almagest]

45 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

But be ready for the stern talking to about feeling that way.  Everything is FINE!  This was all EXPECTED!  SMILE DAMN IT!

It's nonsense like this that continually escalates these arguments. No one says everything is fine. No one says this is all expected. No one tells people to smile.

[WhiteSox2023]

12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

It's why the Slater deal was better.  They actually got a potentially useful piece for the next half decade, vs a roster spot filled.

Yep.  Basically, Getz wasted a good acquisition in Tauchman by not flipping him.  Sorry, but I’d take a prospect over an oft-injured 35-year old 2 bWAR right fielder with good leadership in what will likely be another losing season.  And who is to say Tauchman will have another good season in 2026 in which he will have more value than he already did?

Isn’t this what rebuilding teams are supposed to do?  Sign guys to one year contracts, hope they perform, and flip them?

Edited August 28 by WhiteSox2023

[almagest]

6 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Yep.  Basically, Getz wasted a good acquisition in Tauchman by not flipping him.  Sorry, but I’d take a prospect over an oft-injured 35-year old 2 bWAR right fielder with good leadership in what will likely be another losing season.  And who is to say Tauchman will have another good season in 2026 in which he will have more value than he already did?

Pointless…

The intent was probably to flip him but he has a young daughter who requires a lot of medical attention, and apparently he requested to stay to ensure she receives proper care. Whether you feel the Sox should have honored that request or not is up to you, but it certainly speaks better of them as an organization to keep him after that request.

Not sure he should be back next year, but if they decide to keep him until Braden Montgomery is ready I'd be fine with it. No one is beating down the door to replace him within the system. If they can acquire an interesting outfield prospect in a trade or rule 5 then fine, let him walk.

Edited August 28 by almagest

[Bonerko4Konerko]

1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:

This is all you need to know about the state of this franchise.

The optimists are celebrating things that good franchises wouldn't even take a second look at because they expect excellence.

The pessimists are (and I'm one of them) are so far down having seen basically nothing but incompetence, dysfunction and ineptness since the start of the 2007 season that they have little to no hope until the stench of JR has been removed.

That's some situation isn't it?

What, exactly, are optimists "celebrating" around here? I don't see anyone "celebrating", I see people pointing out and talking about positive things they see from this team/org. If that's considered celebrating then you need a new definition of that word.

And good franchises don't expect excellence, they expect results. Big difference.

[Lip Man 1]

45 minutes ago, Bonerko4Konerko said:

What, exactly, are optimists "celebrating" around here? I don't see anyone "celebrating", I see people pointing out and talking about positive things they see from this team/org. If that's considered celebrating then you need a new definition of that word.

And good franchises don't expect excellence, they expect results. Big difference.

Not really, results equal success equal excellence. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

2 hours ago, WestEddy said:

Again, nobody said they're "in line". Unless a team is winning a championship, there's a sizeable part of the fanbase that hates the owner. That's just the way sports are, now. So, congratulations. You just implied that the Sox are in line with the Yankees, Red Sox and Cubs. 

Youre pretending frustrated fans are the same as fans who are completely disengaged. Many sox fans aren't angry, they just dont care. Im in the boat most of the time, but i at least follow somewhat. 

[southsider2k5]

12 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Youre pretending frustrated fans are the same as fans who are completely disengaged. Many sox fans aren't angry, they just dont care. Im in the boat most of the time, but i at least follow somewhat. 

And judging by the drops in attendance, ratings, and advertising, there are plenty of both.

[Snopek]

5 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Pal you've spent the past year belittling anyone who felt negative about the team. Im not sure how youre not a glass half full guy. If youre not, then i guess you just like belittling people who feel the same way as you??

Lol I think you have the wrong number because I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.

If you wanna throw accusations out, please share where I’ve spent the past year belittling anyone who felt negative about the team.

[Chicago White Sox]

On 8/27/2025 at 9:47 AM, WhiteSox2023 said:

Wasn’t that @Chicago White Sox?  I don’t want to speak for him but I always assumed he moved for a job opportunity or something and just threw in that side part about the Sox as a joke.

I did move for a job opportunity, but that Machado fuckup certainly pushed me over the edge in saying yes.  I moved back to Chicago three years ago because I finally had the leverage to work remotely full time post COVID and of course the Sox to Nashville rumors pick up almost immediately the day we got back here.

[WestEddy]

7 hours ago, T R U said:

Knowing what I know now that they would in fact not trade Mike Tauchman regardless of how well he performed, I would have rather seen the likes of DeLoach, Fletcher, Julks, etc. out in RF all year since that has more value to the long term goals of the franchise.

I don't think there is anything more overrated in sports than a "veteran presence". These are professionals, not high school kids needing a mentor.

Every single professional sports team values veteran leadership. Probably because it's meaningless. 

I've had it pounded into my head that the Fletcher trade and the trade that brought DeLoach both sucked the day they were made because Fletcher and DeLoach are too old and won't be part of their future. 

Tauchman asked to not be traded because his daughter had a surgery, and he wanted to be close to his family. That doesn't render a trade bad in retrospect. Yes, had I known players they acquired were going to be bad, I would have not wanted them acquired.