Winter Meetings Dec. Trades FA Signings Thread

[WhiteSox2023]

1 hour ago, poppysox said:

You win...everyone wants to live in New York except me.

Can you play 1B?  What are your salary demands?  Maybe the Sox can actually afford you…

[poppysox]

1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Can you play 1B?  What are your salary demands?  Maybe the Sox can actually afford you…

For sure...I'd do it for free.

[southsider2k5]

3 minutes ago, poppysox said:

For sure...I'd do it for free.

Now you have Jerry's attention. 

[Ozzie for Manager]

1 hour ago, poppysox said:

You win...everyone wants to live in New York except me.

I agree with you. NYC is a shathole and getting worse. Its why half the NY players used to live outside the city. Part of the reason they have to pay so much is because of the taxes. If the Marlins had owners that wanted to win they would be the destination along with Tampa.

Live in NYC and make 10 million per year you only get about 4.7 million of that 10 million. Live outside the city and get almost 5.2.

Florida you get 6.1 million. 

[caulfield12]

2 minutes ago, Ozzie for Manager said:

I agree with you. NYC is a shathole and getting worse. Its why half the NY players used to live outside the city. Part of the reason they have to pay so much is because of the taxes. If the Marlins had owners that wanted to win they would be the destination along with Tampa.

Live in NYC and make 10 million per year you only get about 4.7 million of that 10 million. Live outside the city and get almost 5.2.

Florida you get 6.1 million. 

And hurricanes mosquitoes and oppressive humidity.

Good governance?  Depends on your political persuasion I guess.

[DoUEvenShift]

 

[caulfield12]

41 minutes ago, DoUEvenShift said:

 

There goes one of the 7 remaining LH corner outfield targets.

Anything over $20 million a no go...maybe even limited to $15 million for the Sox going back to Fedde.

 

Conforto will be the last option remaining lol.

 

"Despite having both current and future depth in the corner outfield, the Twins acquired James Outman (LAD), Alan Roden (Varland trade w/ ToR), and Hendry Mendez, all left-handed-hitting outfielders who will likely spend most of their time in the corners. We will likely see all of them in 2026, as they filter into the majors and share playing time with fellow members of the LH brotherhood Matt Wallner, Trevor Larnach, Kody Clemens, Emmanuel Rodriguez, and Walker Jenkins."

 

Twins 8

White Sox 0.5 (Benintendi)

Max Kepler yet another...former Twin/Phillies.

Edited Thursday at 02:12 AM by caulfield12

[Chicago White Sox]

28 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Anything over $20 million a no go...maybe even limited to $15 million for the Sox going back to Fedde.

Where in the f*** do you come up with this nonsense?

[caulfield12]

12 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Where in the f*** do you come up with this nonsense?

Thats the entire history of the Getz Regime.

We have heard for going on two years now they are limiting contracts that go over into the 2027 season.

That they are specifically targeting the 2027-28 off season to really start spending.  "Competitive window" essentially begins then.

Fedde remains the biggest contract signed under Getz, and they didn't hold him for that entire deal.

 

You keep repeating O'Hearn based upon what recent evidence???  The White Sox would have to give him at least $2-3 million if not more than any contender out there.

Anthony Kay was $12.5 million...including his buyout.

Everything else has been under $15 million (total) the last two seasons.

Unless you're counting the Robert option, which hardly qualifies as new spending.

 

So two bets here...

Sox don't sign anyone over $20 million over 2-3 years in total contract value.

Pete Fairbanks gets AT LEAST $20 million (total new contract $$$).

What happens when you are wrong?

Edited Thursday at 02:47 AM by caulfield12

[Timmy U]

3 hours ago, Ozzie for Manager said:

I agree with you. NYC is a shathole and getting worse. Its why half the NY players used to live outside the city. Part of the reason they have to pay so much is because of the taxes. If the Marlins had owners that wanted to win they would be the destination along with Tampa.

Live in NYC and make 10 million per year you only get about 4.7 million of that 10 million. Live outside the city and get almost 5.2.

Florida you get 6.1 million. 

Real Estate in Manhattan is super expensive for a reason. I am fortunate enough to live there now. Pretty great honestly.

[Chicago White Sox]

1 minute ago, caulfield12 said:

We have heard for going on two years now they are limiting contracts that go over into the 2027 season.

That they are specifically targeting the 2027-28 off season to really start spending.  "Competitive window" essentially begins then.

Fedde remains the biggest contract signed under Getz, and they didn't hold him for that entire deal.

Let's make a bet.

I will venture that ZERO contracts for over $15 million in total value are signed by Getz.

You keep repeating O'Hearn based upon what recent evidence???  The White Sox would have to give him at least $2-3 million if not more than any contender out there.

Anthony Kay was $12.5 million...including his buyout.

Everything else has been under $20 million the last two seasons.

Unless you're counting the Robert option, which hardly qualifies as new spending.

 

So two best here...

Sox don't sign anyone over $20 million over 1-2-3 years in total contract value.

Pete Fairbanks gets AT LEAST $20 million.

What happens when you are wrong?

You are literally setting an arbitrary $15M signing threshold because Getz signed a player to that amount two years ago when we were cutting payroll.  I think it’s very possible they will sign someone over $20M.  I don’t see them going beyond two years to ensure they have as much flexibility heading into the 2028 offseason.  But I do think they are making a run at O’Hearn as a short term stopgap at 1B and I’d wager that will cost something around 2/$26M.  I think they have serious interest in Fairbanks and that will very likely cost more than $15M over two years.  Whether they can actually convince two dudes in their 30’s to sign with a 60 win team is a different matter.  I’m not going to guarantee that because most guys will prefer a contender, but I refuse to believe 15M is some insurmountable figure like you are doing in every thread.

Let’s flip the script, what happens if they sign someone over $15M?  Are you willing to sit out the rest off-season if Getz proves you wrong?

[DoUEvenShift]

3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Let’s flip the script, what happens if they sign someone over $15M?  Are you willing to sit out the rest off-season if Getz proves you wrong?

Ban bet, ban bet, ban bet!!!

[Ozzie for Manager]

8 minutes ago, Timmy U said:

Real Estate in Manhattan is super expensive for a reason. I am fortunate enough to live there now. Pretty great honestly.

As someone who left NJ for eastern NC, I hated ever going into the city.  I prefer my 1.3 acres, inground pool, 3000 SF house, 1000 SF woodshop and only the sound of animals at night on my outdoor patio while I drink my bourbon, smoke my cigar and watch the sox blow the game in the 9th while I cuss JR with nobody to hear me but the coyotes and deer. All for a fraction of the cost of Manhattan. 

But it's really personal preference.  Glad you enjoy it.  

[caulfield12]

49 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

You are literally setting an arbitrary $15M signing threshold because Getz signed a player to that amount two years ago when we were cutting payroll.  I think it’s very possible they will sign someone over $20M.  I don’t see them going beyond two years to ensure they have as much flexibility heading into the 2028 offseason.  But I do think they are making a run at O’Hearn as a short term stopgap at 1B and I’d wager that will cost something around 2/$26M.  I think they have serious interest in Fairbanks and that will very likely cost more than $15M over two years.  Whether they can actually convince two dudes in their 30’s to sign with a 60 win team is a different matter.  I’m not going to guarantee that because most guys will prefer a contender, but I refuse to believe 15M is some insurmountable figure like you are doing in every thread.

Let’s flip the script, what happens if they sign someone over $15M?  Are you willing to sit out the rest off-season if Getz proves you wrong?

Sure, why not?

So Fairbanks gets $20 million or higher...and let's split the difference between $15 and $20 million on Getz 2025-26 FA deals, no White Sox individual contracts totaling over $17.5 million in value before Opening Day.

1-1 tie, nothing happens I guess.

Feel very confident in winning at least one if not both.

 

O'Hearn had been with Baltimore during their resurgence and then SD.

He won't want to go back to KC/CHW AL Central purgatory unless it's with Detroit, which is highly unlikely based  on their roster and rising young hitting prospects.

[poppysox]

10 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Sure, why not?

So Fairbanks gets $20 million or higher...and let's split the difference between $15 and $20 million on Getz 2025-26 FA deals, no White Sox individual contracts totaling over $17.5 million in value before Opening Day.

1-1 tie, nothing happens I guess.

Feel very confident in winning at least one if not both.

 

O'Hearn had been with Baltimore during their resurgence and then SD.

He won't want to go back to KC/CHW AL Central purgatory unless it's with Detroit, which is highly unlikely based  on their roster and rising young hitting prospects.

One size does not fit all. Some players will want to come here...some won't. I hope we are getting to the point where we take our best shot at those players we want and let the chips fall where they do.  Just don't want to play with one hand tied behind our backs.

[caulfield12]

40 minutes ago, poppysox said:

One size does not fit all. Some players will want to come here...some won't. I hope we are getting to the point where we take our best shot at those players we want and let the chips fall where they do.  Just don't want to play with one hand tied behind our backs.

So far there have been zero indications of that big money injection happening this offseason.

The true Tier A impact hitters remaining are Tucker Bellinger and Bregman.

Yankees or Mets will likely take the first two.

That basically just leaves Bregman, Murakami and Okamoto.

[fathom]

8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

So far there have been zero indications of that big money injection happening this offseason.

The true Tier A impact hitters remaining are Tucker Bellinger and Bregman.

Yankees or Mets will likely take the first two.

That basically just leaves Bregman, Murakami and Okamoto.

Why is this a surprise?  It was always said there wouldn’t be a big money injection to the payroll for the time being.

[caulfield12]

11 minutes ago, fathom said:

Why is this a surprise?  It was always said there wouldn’t be a big money injection to the payroll for the time being.

I’m not surprised, personally.  That message has been pretty consistent, and quite often reiterated.

But a handful of posters are much more optimistic…well, another long offseason just watching other teams like the Tigers improve isn’t easy to take.

[WestEddy]

44 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

I’m not surprised, personally.  That message has been pretty consistent, and quite often reiterated.

But a handful of posters are much more optimistic…well, another long offseason just watching other teams like the Tigers improve isn’t easy to take.

But the message has been moving steadily in a certain direction. At first, Getz stated they would lean heavily on the prospects who made it to the majors developing, along with the guys like B. Monty and Antonacci getting promoted, along with a few veteran acquisitions to fill in the holes. 

Then they switched to talking about being aggressive with their targets and not being afraid to add on years if that's what it took to get the guys they wanted. Now we're hearing talk about guys like Fairbanks. 

They're telling you what they want to do, and that's what to watch for. I actually think an off-season of O'Hearn, Fairbanks or May, another SP and maybe Bleday, if they dealt Robert - would be a productive off-season for where the team is right now. 

[caulfield12]

6 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

But the message has been moving steadily in a certain direction. At first, Getz stated they would lean heavily on the prospects who made it to the majors developing, along with the guys like B. Monty and Antonacci getting promoted, along with a few veteran acquisitions to fill in the holes. 

Then they switched to talking about being aggressive with their targets and not being afraid to add on years if that's what it took to get the guys they wanted. Now we're hearing talk about guys like Fairbanks. 

They're telling you what they want to do, and that's what to watch for. I actually think an off-season of O'Hearn, Fairbanks or May, another SP and maybe Bleday, if they dealt Robert - would be a productive off-season for where the team is right now. 

That's at least $20-30 million in new spending (just for 2026 alone) coming out of nowhere...and at least two deals overlapping into 2027.

Edited Thursday at 04:22 PM by caulfield12

[WestEddy]

10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

That's at least $20-30 million in new spending (just for 2026 alone) coming out of nowhere...and at least two deals overlapping into 2027.

...which would put them under $90M for the season. Getz started out throwing cold water on expectations, then gradually ramped up to where we're talking about a couple middling guys and a couple bounce back candidates. It's also been reported that Getz only really expects any additions to come from free agency, not trades. 

[Chicago White Sox]

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

I’m not surprised, personally.  That message has been pretty consistent, and quite often reiterated.

But a handful of posters are much more optimistic…well, another long offseason just watching other teams like the Tigers improve isn’t easy to take.

Ryan O’Hearn at 2/$26M and Peter Fairbanks at 2/$20M aren’t “big money additions”…they are affordable short term stop gaps.  Not one single poster here thinks they are going to sign a big free agent.

[2Deep]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

But the message has been moving steadily in a certain direction. At first, Getz stated they would lean heavily on the prospects who made it to the majors developing, along with the guys like B. Monty and Antonacci getting promoted, along with a few veteran acquisitions to fill in the holes. 

Then they switched to talking about being aggressive with their targets and not being afraid to add on years if that's what it took to get the guys they wanted. Now we're hearing talk about guys like Fairbanks. 

They're telling you what they want to do, and that's what to watch for. I actually think an off-season of O'Hearn, Fairbanks or May, another SP and maybe Bleday, if they dealt Robert - would be a productive off-season for where the team is right now. 

I would agree with this BUT until it happens many of us remain skeptical, because Getz says a lot of things that are contradictory.  

[Lip Man 1]

Suarez to the Braves, three years, 45 million.

Milner to the Cubs, one year, 3.75 million

Leiter Jr. to the A's, one year, three million 

 

[caulfield12]

23 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Suarez to the Braves, three years, 45 million.

Milner to the Cubs, one year, 3.75 million

Leiter Jr. to the A's, one year, three million 

 

Padres were unwilling to give him a QO, for what it's worth.

Weird they (ATL) also have Iglesias at $16 million.