GGajewski18 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Chicago White Sox @whitesox 44s #WhiteSox have claimed #RHP Hector Noesi off waivers from the #Rangers: http://atmlb.com/1mLXTNr There's your Sunday starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Used to LOVE this guy. Thought he was way under the radar with the Yankees. Has been extra bad though. Hopefully he's a Coop candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Haha. Score 7 runs on him to get him DFA'd, then pick him up. Brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Did everyone in charge somehow miss him pitch vs us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 More cannon fodder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted April 25, 2014 Author Share Posted April 25, 2014 Noesi has given up 7 ER all year, all to the White Sox lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 QUOTE (raBBit @ Apr 25, 2014 -> 07:07 PM) Who is the poster that loved him? Ultimate Champion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 We'll, we've seen him at his worst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Apr 25, 2014 -> 01:09 PM) Did everyone in charge somehow miss him pitch vs us? What's to say they didn't see a fixable glitch or a tipping of pitches? The assumption doesn't have to be that the organization is stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 He's trash, but so are Francisco, Guerra, Boggs, Hanson. Maybe they will get lucky but it is obvious they are desperate for someone. Anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 If you can beat him, sign him?? Wait that isn't right.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 How many pitchers has Cooper actually "fixed"?? Like... 2? The rest were guys who were already pretty good. I remember when the Sox traded for Edwin Jackson, the Sox were saying Cooper could tell he was tipping his pitches and knew how to fix him. He was good for a half season and went back to total suck. I hope Noesi can be at least decent. But the odds of that are nearly zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyAcosta41 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Love this particular type of move for this particular type of team (i.e., a team with budget issues who happen to have a unified franchise pitching philosophy with a good track record of success). Any time you can bring in a big arm (a 93-95 mph type) with decent control -- Noesi qualifies both ways -- bring him in and see if your in-house expertise can teach him a cutter and/or change, or possibly refine his mechanics. Sometimes the differences between two good arms is little more than minor differences in repertoire, repeatability of mechanics/pitches, and, of course, the confidence that comes with having success. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" I have no problem with the White Sox being the Statue of Liberty for wayward pitchers. Bring 'em all in. Give us first shot at 'em. Sure, 75%+ won't amount to much, but if you can recycle junk into value once a year, you've just bought yourself a lot of extra spending money for use in other ways. P.S. Obviously I'm being somewhat hyperbolic. Don't bring 'em ALL in. But absolutely bring many in. It's not as if our system is so deep with homegrown talent that we're eliminating opportunity for our own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Apr 25, 2014 -> 01:26 PM) How many pitchers has Cooper actually "fixed"?? Like... 2? The rest were guys who were already pretty good. I remember when the Sox traded for Edwin Jackson, the Sox were saying Cooper could tell he was tipping his pitches and knew how to fix him. He was good for a half season and went back to total suck. I hope Noesi can be at least decent. But the odds of that are nearly zero. Jackson's best year of his career was the time he spent with the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Funny the Sox crushed him five days ago, and now he's here...meaning Charlotte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Apr 25, 2014 -> 07:26 PM) How many pitchers has Cooper actually "fixed"?? Like... 2? The rest were guys who were already pretty good. I remember when the Sox traded for Edwin Jackson, the Sox were saying Cooper could tell he was tipping his pitches and knew how to fix him. He was good for a half season and went back to total suck. I hope Noesi can be at least decent. But the odds of that are nearly zero. Jackson was alright with us. Do you mean Liriano? but to answer your question, Matt Thorton, Gavin Floyd, Estefan Loaiza, and Jose Contreras come to mind. I'm sure there's more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Apr 25, 2014 -> 01:33 PM) Jackson was alright with us. Do you mean Liriano? but to answer your question, Matt Thorton, Gavin Floyd, Estefan Loaiza, and Jose Contreras come to mind. I'm sure there's more. It is also missing on guys that came through the system and succeeded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Apr 25, 2014 -> 01:26 PM) How many pitchers has Cooper actually "fixed"?? Like... 2? The rest were guys who were already pretty good. I remember when the Sox traded for Edwin Jackson, the Sox were saying Cooper could tell he was tipping his pitches and knew how to fix him. He was good for a half season and went back to total suck. I hope Noesi can be at least decent. But the odds of that are nearly zero. Edwin Jackson with the White Sox - 30 GS, 196.2 IP, 3.66 ERA, 1.34 WHIP, 8 K/9, 2.6 BB/9 He was really good with the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I remember his name being tossed around in a potential trade a few years ago with the Yanks. Sounded like the Sox really liked him then as a guy that could be a high leverage reliever. I think he is a similar situation to Cleto, good arm, but just needs to figure out how to use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 25, 2014 -> 01:35 PM) Edwin Jackson with the White Sox - 30 GS, 196.2 IP, 3.66 ERA, 1.34 WHIP, 8 K/9, 2.6 BB/9 He was really good with the Sox. He also was good with the Tigers, but he was a lot better with the Sox than most realize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Apr 25, 2014 -> 01:38 PM) I remember his name being tossed around in a potential trade a few years ago with the Yanks. Sounded like the Sox really liked him then as a guy that could be a high leverage reliever. I think he is a similar situation to Cleto, good arm, but just needs to figure out how to use it. Noesi was starting at the time. I wanted him as part of the package in the rumors for John Danks at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 25, 2014 -> 01:38 PM) He also was good with the Tigers, but he was a lot better with the Sox than most realize. I think most people watch Edwin Jackson pitch and, just by looking at his stuff, wonder why he isn't a top of the rotation starter, and then they see a pitcher who doesn't have great command of his stuff, which is inherently frustrating as a fan. The numbers obviously do not lie, but I recall watching Edwin Jackson and thinking he walked a hell of a lot more batters than he actually did. I've said it before, but he's a guy I wouldn't mind the Sox getting from the Cubs if they ate about 1/3 to 1/2 of his remaining deal. His stuff has deteriorated just a small amount, so the results could certainly still be there. He's due $22 in '15 and '16, and so if the Cubs ate $8-10 million of that deal, he could be a really nice buy low target for the Sox. Not advocating it per se, but I wouldn't be upset if they did make a move like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) Danks pre-injury, especially 2008-2010 Thornton Edwin Jackson Humber for one unexpectedly good season before regression all the magical reliever seasons in 2005 (Hermanson, Cotts, Politte) Gavin Floyd Loiaza Jose Contreras Jon Garland became a much better pitcher from the time he was a 20 year old rookie JJ Putz had a great bounceback season his one year here Mark Buehrle Jose Quintana Bobby Jenks Sergio Santos Keith Foulke Edited April 25, 2014 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Some or most of those are very good, but Cooper was Keith Foulke's pitching coach for 3 months. Given, he was the minor league pitching coordinator from 1993 through 2002, but that's Nardi Contreras if it's anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 25, 2014 -> 08:17 PM) Danks pre-injury, especially 2008-2010 Thornton Edwin Jackson Humber for one unexpectedly good season before regression all the magical reliever seasons in 2005 (Hermanson, Cotts, Politte) Gavin Floyd Loiaza Jose Contreras Jon Garland became a much better pitcher from the time he was a 20 year old rookie JJ Putz had a great bounceback season his one year here Mark Buehrle Jose Quintana Bobby Jenks Sergio Santos Keith Foulke Right there shows a big problem right now...no names from the past two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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