reiks12 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Does Austin Jackson cost a pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:44 PM) Robertson and Melky turned down better offers to come here just one year ago. Â I was unaware they actually had better offers. I must have missed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 08:40 PM) Where did the notion come that Desmond is bad on D? Â Someone typed it here without knowing what they were talking about. Others may have blindly accepted it as fact, message board style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:47 PM) Does Austin Jackson cost a pick? Â Was traded mid season, so no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB2.0 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 11:47 PM) Does Austin Jackson cost a pick? Â No. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:47 PM) Fowler > Avi and Desmond is regarded as average to above average at short, which we don't know Saladino can be. Fowler + Desmond >>> Cespedes.  That said, I'd prefer Austin Jackson and Desmond. Ok, I'm pretty sure if Saladino played any worse than average at SS this year, it would be absolutely shocking. We all saw him last year. He looks elite defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (South Sider @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:48 PM) I was unaware they actually had better offers. I must have missed that. I believe the Royals offered Melky a 4th year and the Astros offered Robertson more money. Edited January 23, 2016 by OmarComing25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 08:47 PM) Does Austin Jackson cost a pick? Nope. Desmond + Jackson and call it an off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (CB2.0 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:47 PM) Where is this $27.5M first year that I keep seeing? Anyone have a link to contract details? Makes no sense to pay him A-ROD $, with a 1-year opt out, and an NTC....all over 3 years and $75M.  That first year $ has to be BS.  It's 25 million a year if he does not opt out. If he opt outs after year 1, his salary that first year will be 27.5 million. Heyman and Rosenthal tweeted it I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 The main thing that concerns me with Desmond is really his down year offensively. I know his past offensive seasons were tremendous, but his 2015 production was oddly low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:47 PM) Does Austin Jackson cost a pick? Â Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpd9189 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Fowler would be ok but nothing longer than a 2yr contract. He had a very nice 2nd half last year but was pretty underwhelming in the 1st half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 08:49 PM) Ok, I'm pretty sure if Saladino played any worse than average at SS this year, it would be absolutely shocking. We all saw him last year. He looks elite defensively. We saw him do elite things at 3B, and while I'm sure he is an above average defender at short, if Desmond hits like its 2012-2014 with average defense he is probably a top 5 SS in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:49 PM) I believe the Royals offered Melky a 4th year and the Astros offered Robertson more money. correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 05:49 AM) It's 25 million a year if he does not opt out. If he opt outs after year 1, his salary that first year will be 27.5 million. Heyman and Rosenthal tweeted it I believe. Â Highest amount ever for an outfielder I believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:50 PM) Fowler would be ok but nothing longer than a 2yr contract. He had a very nice 2nd half last year but was pretty underwhelming in the 1st half. If we convinced him to bat righty only, it may not be too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:51 PM) Highest amount ever for an outfielder I believe Somewhat surprising. Curious to see how much more Harper will make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Disappointing, but $27.5M for 1 year is a steeeep price. He pretty much has to prove that 2015 wasn't a fluke. If he reverts back to any season before 2015's year, he will not be worth that contract. Â I hope to god we find an OF and don't have to go through this saga again next offseason with him. Â Go get Austin Jackson and be done with it. Don't lose that draft pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Any move to spend the "$27.5 mil" that is thought to be available is a mistake at this point. Any offensive players that remains out there are 4th or 5th options, and won't get much ROI for the money. Need to think outside the box and trade for someone who's considered a reclamation project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB2.0 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 11:49 PM) It's 25 million a year if he does not opt out. If he opt outs after year 1, his salary that first year will be 27.5 million. Heyman and Rosenthal tweeted it I believe. Â So this is some kind of opt-out with a club self imposed penalty???? Â That would be the dumbest contract ever. Â The Mets will have him 1 year. Â No wonder he took it.... Â Play this out: You get $25M with the Mets in the 1st year...you suck, dog it, whatever.... You opt out and what do you get for that lack of effort? AN EXTRA $2.5M! Â If that's the deal, I'm glad he's not here now, more than ever. Â Move on, Rick. Edited January 23, 2016 by CB2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 What is with all the fascination with Ian Desmond on here? He is the type of player that the Sox should be avoiding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Let's all take a moment and take a sigh of relief that we aren't paying this guy 75m over 3 seasons after he has a career year at 30. Wouldn't be surprised to see Cespedes in some steroid trouble in the next few years because jumping THAT much offensively at 30 is pretty rare these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 05:52 AM) Any move to spend the "$27.5 mil" that is thought to be available is a mistake at this point. Any offensive players that remains out there are 4th or 5th options, and won't get much ROI for the money. Need to think outside the box and trade for someone who's considered a reclamation project. Â Ian Desmond is a great reclamation project who is extremely likely to earn his salary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Â i am going to keep this as neutral as possible, esp my rants in the past of not giving the sox the benefit of the doubt. Â so that first yr alone of 27.5 tells it right there. that is too much in my book for him. however, the opt clause and the rest of the propose money being split for the other 2 yrs, that is if he does not opt out, i can reason with it. i may have felt within reason that the sox could have beaten it. Â i still think getting him for even the possibility of making the playoff next yr would have been worth the cost. however that is 27+ mil.... Â if they do pursue improving the team... they can get 2 players for the price of cespy. i am wondering what their next move will be, if any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon_44 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I won't be all that surprised when Avi puts up better offensive numbers than Cespedes next year. I'd sign Jackson, move Eaton to left, and Melky to DH. Desmond, I really have no opinion on him and don't care if they sign him , or not. I'd just as soon let Saladino and Sanchez battle it out for SS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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