bmags Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (Soxnfins @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 02:25 PM) Could also be White Sox feeding Nightengale false info in order to get the smoke off their trail. Who knows. This is fun! It feels like nightengale has been given garbage info for a ton recently and it hasn't seemed like he's been given preference for breaking things from us in a long time (I feel like it's been either Rosenthal or the white sox themselves) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (credezcrew24 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 04:24 PM) Wrong you're fun. you'd think with 120 odd posts you could maybe add some context to some. Sorry, but there's no guarantee TA makes a smooth transition to CF. It's my opinion you know, but there's a reason you don't see the transition that often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) Well thank god for that. @DanClarkSports RHP Michael Kopech - the White Sox's top pitching prospect - is NOT included in Machado trade talks. Untouchable. #Orioles #HotStoveRHP Michael Kopech - the White Sox's top pitching prospect - is NOT included in Machado trade talks. Untouchable. #Orioles #HotStove https://twitter.com/DanClarkSports/status/941404621314056192 Edited December 14, 2017 by Sockin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 02:30 PM) Well thank god for that. @DanClarkSports RHP Michael Kopech - the White Sox's top pitching prospect - is NOT included in Machado trade talks. Untouchable. #Orioles #HotStoveRHP Michael Kopech - the White Sox's top pitching prospect - is NOT included in Machado trade talks. Untouchable. #Orioles #HotStove https://twitter.com/DanClarkSports/status/941404621314056192 I suppose that's the thing about the word "discussed" instead of "included". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 04:32 PM) I suppose that's the thing about the word "discussed" instead of "included". Unless he comes with a guaranteed 5-7 year extension would you even trade Kopech for Machado straight up? I wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 03:23 PM) CF Anderson 2B Moncada SS Machado 1B Abreu RF Jimenez DH Garcia LF Delmonico C Castillo 3B Sanchez Oh my Flip flop Sanchez & Anderson and that could be an isanely good lineup despite not having a true leadoff bitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 No go on Kopech should have been obvious, but don’t bail on Giolito either. Hope this is settled by early next week, one way or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 12:19 PM) ... thinks he goes to the Cardinals. That's where I'm at. Their need for him and their current situation makes WAY more sense for them to open up the prospect bank than us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 02:50 PM) Who the f*** is Dan Clark and what the f*** does he know? But seriously, this Machado is both exciting & terrifying. I just wish a White Sox mouthpiece like Merkin would pop in with a “Kopech & Giolito not included in any offer”. f***...f***...f***... QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 03:30 PM) Well thank god for that. @DanClarkSports RHP Michael Kopech - the White Sox's top pitching prospect - is NOT included in Machado trade talks. Untouchable. #Orioles #HotStoveRHP Michael Kopech - the White Sox's top pitching prospect - is NOT included in Machado trade talks. Untouchable. #Orioles #HotStove https://twitter.com/DanClarkSports/status/941404621314056192 God I love Dan Clark! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 03:17 PM) Nightengale just brought up the rumor that the Sox might flip Machado to the Yankees. Definitely seems like a competitor purposely leaked that in hopes of giving the Orioles cold feet on dealing with us. He also specifically mentioned “the Sox claim their offer isn’t as strong as they’re making it out to be”. That would never happen as teams would not trade big names to us anymore. That's more of a move at the deadline if everything just blows up on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 03:40 PM) God I love Dan Clark! That helps all Sox fans breath a bit easier. Although Sox seem pretty damn serious about getting Machado... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 03:41 PM) That would never happen as teams would not trade big names to us anymore. That's more of a move at the deadline if everything just blows up on us. Oh I know, I said as much in this very thread, but the whole flipping to the Yankees rumor was definitely a right now type thing and not a deadline move. That’s why the Sox have come out multiple times and said they have every intention of keeping him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 02:34 PM) Unless he comes with a guaranteed 5-7 year extension would you even trade Kopech for Machado straight up? I wouldn't. Oh hellll no, which is why I woke up thinking I was going to puke. If I was the Os and was offered Kopech for a year of Machado I would have just said "deal". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I don't doubt the Sox are serious about pursuing Machado, I just strongly doubt they end up with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Our lineup could be pretty damn good by Mid June Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 02:34 PM) Unless he comes with a guaranteed 5-7 year extension would you even trade Kopech for Machado straight up? I wouldn't. This will probably sounds nuts to people but I'm not including Kopech in a deal for Machado even if he signed an extension. All the sudden you're losing a lot of your payroll flexibility and you're losing your potential ace. We have some pitching depth in this organization but we don't have Kopech depth. You weaken your future rotation a great deal and you lose a lot of this payroll flexibility you've gained. I'm really not a fan of doing that even for a guy like Manny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 If Machado were acquired and then extended, rather than signed as a free agent, after having been offered a "qualifying offer," by his 2018 team, doesn't that eliminate the loss of a Draft pick, for the team which signs him? If so, isn't that a consideration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:49 PM) This will probably sounds nuts to people but I'm not including Kopech in a deal for Machado even if he signed an extension. All the sudden you're losing a lot of your payroll flexibility and you're losing your potential ace. We have some pitching depth in this organization but we don't have Kopech depth. You weaken your future rotation a great deal and you lose a lot of this payroll flexibility you've gained. I'm really not a fan of doing that even for a guy like Manny. Well said, it's not like you would be getting a guy with an amazing contract like Sale/Q/Archer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 03:49 PM) This will probably sounds nuts to people but I'm not including Kopech in a deal for Machado even if he signed an extension. All the sudden you're losing a lot of your payroll flexibility and you're losing your potential ace. We have some pitching depth in this organization but we don't have Kopech depth. You weaken your future rotation a great deal and you lose a lot of this payroll flexibility you've gained. I'm really not a fan of doing that even for a guy like Manny. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 03:32 PM) I suppose that's the thing about the word "discussed" instead of "included". I'd be pretty surprised if Giolito were included as well. He's mlb ready and seemed to be finding his groove down the stretch last season. I don't see him as a potential #1, but he could develop into a solid #2-3 starter in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 If Machado was inked for 7 years and it took Kopech to get him, sign me up. A gold glove quality SS, 26 years old with 40 hr power could wind up being the best player in the game vs. a guy who appears maybe 32 times a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) This is on its way to becoming another Cespedes thread, let’s top it! We have, what, 50 more mobile pages to go? Edited December 14, 2017 by Soxnfins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:52 PM) I'd be pretty surprised if Giolito were included as well. He's mlb ready and seemed to be finding his groove down the stretch last season. I don't see him as a potential #1, but he could develop into a solid #2-3 starter in time. He seems like a disaster waiting to happen pitching for Baltimore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (Soxnfins @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:54 PM) This is on its way to becoming another ace speeds thread, let’s top it! We have, what, 50 more mobile pages to go? I'm expecting 8 eyeballs from WSD tomorrow night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 02:49 PM) This will probably sounds nuts to people but I'm not including Kopech in a deal for Machado even if he signed an extension. All the sudden you're losing a lot of your payroll flexibility and you're losing your potential ace. We have some pitching depth in this organization but we don't have Kopech depth. You weaken your future rotation a great deal and you lose a lot of this payroll flexibility you've gained. I'm really not a fan of doing that even for a guy like Manny. No I completely agree. Because 2018 means essentially nothing to us, the deal really isn't that different than stanton IMO because what we are really acquiring is the "right" of the player at market price, and since there is no long-term cost control, giving up a huge prospect haul for that right is super counterproductive considering we are not at a win now moment yet. Which isn't to say that the Os shouldn't expect more for him, they should, but specifically for the white sox it becomes a bad fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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