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2 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said:

I don't want anything to change. Those who don't have the attention span should watch something else.

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6 hours ago, Quin said:

But my friends who follow NL teams say it leads to more "strategy"

  They have a point.  However, for all the enjoyment people may get out of late inning double switch strategy, that gets ruined by the early inning strategy of intentionally walking the shitty #8 catcher to load the bases so the pitcher can strike out and end the inning.  Every NL game I watch the pitcher ruins a good rally.

It's mentioned in here earlier, if pitchers could all hit like Carlos Zambrano or better, then maybe they don't need the DH.  But at their current skill level, it's a must.

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3 minutes ago, Dam8610 said:

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Baseball has been played the way it is now for well over 100 years. Why does it need to change now? How can anyone possibly think a 3 batter minimum for relief pitchers is good for the game? 

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9 minutes ago, fathom said:

Abruptly changing the DH rule would be bogus right now. 2020 and going forward is fine.

I agree. I don't think they'd abruptly change it since NL teams haven't ahd time to plan.  

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8 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said:

Baseball has been played the way it is now for well over 100 years. Why does it need to change now? How can anyone possibly think a 3 batter minimum for relief pitchers is good for the game? 

Because the game is boring now and it isn't attracting new fans.  "Baseball has been played the way it is now for well over 100 years" is a straight up lie OR you just don't know.  It's only been recently that this new bullpen fetish has started.  Back in the day guys would pitch the whole game no matter what.  Hell when we won the WS we had guys going 9 innings.  Now a days those guys are pulled at 6 pretty much no matter what and then there's 200 bullpen changes in the game.  It's a different (more boring) game than it was 10 years ago.  

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56 minutes ago, KiwiSox said:

St Louis found a way to stay competitive every year without spending a fortune or engage in the baseball-ruining practice of tanking and now, inexplicably, they are hated for it.

The Sox, Astros, Braves, Cubs, Padres...every team that has clearly lost intentionally...should be penalized severely. If I were in charge I'd start confiscating picks and banning these teams for international signings. This has spiraled so far out of control now.

I don't hate them for it, I do wonder why one team that is consistently in the 10-15 range in payroll receives compensatory draft picks for being a small market team while others (White Sox) aren't afforded the same luxury.

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I think I pretty much like every suggestion.  It all sounds pretty cool.  The 3 batter minimum sounds crazy- game 7 of the World Series will have 10 guys faking injuries

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31 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said:

Baseball has been played the way it is now for well over 100 years. Why does it need to change now? How can anyone possibly think a 3 batter minimum for relief pitchers is good for the game? 

One of the cool things that I learned today is in the original baseball rules, you actually threw the ball AT runners to try to get them out.

Change isn't always bad.

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32 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said:

Baseball has been played the way it is now for well over 100 years. Why does it need to change now? How can anyone possibly think a 3 batter minimum for relief pitchers is good for the game? 

Your serious right? You don't look around the sports world and think there's a problem with baseball? 

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27 minutes ago, cjgalloway said:

Because the game is boring now and it isn't attracting new fans.  "Baseball has been played the way it is now for well over 100 years" is a straight up lie OR you just don't know.  It's only been recently that this new bullpen fetish has started.  Back in the day guys would pitch the whole game no matter what.  Hell when we won the WS we had guys going 9 innings.  Now a days those guys are pulled at 6 pretty much no matter what and then there's 200 bullpen changes in the game.  It's a different (more boring) game than it was 10 years ago.  

I get that they're trying to speed up the game but a 3 batter minimum rule would be absurd. 

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14 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

One of the cool things that I learned today is in the original baseball rules, you actually threw the ball AT runners to try to get them out.

Change isn't always bad.

Bring that shit back! 

26 minutes ago, Jerksticks said:

I think I pretty much like every suggestion.  It all sounds pretty cool.  The 3 batter minimum sounds crazy- game 7 of the World Series will have 10 guys faking injuries

See, I love the 3 batter rule in theory but this is something that would absolutely start to happen.

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Nothing too bad there. Don't know why they'd look into lowering the mound rather than making the strike zone the same size it was 10 years ago (considerably smaller, especially at the bottom part of the zone).

I don't love the 3-batter rule, because it is a pretty direct change to the way the game has long been played. That being said, historically it would long have been extremely unusual to see a case in which managers would make moves that would violate the 3-batter rule. In some sense, it is taking the heavy hand of the rulebook and using it to enforce an older style of play. I suspect that much like the mound visits rule, it would change managers' strategy much more often than the number of fewer than three batter outings would suggest. I should also mention that the reporting on this has made clear that it would be 3 batters or finishing the inning. Many times, you could finish the inning with the guy at a pretty high percentage but managers may be overly afraid of what happens if (for instance) the lefty specialist doesn't get the lefty batter out and then is left dealing with righties. 

I think the 12 pitcher rule may be redundant with the 3-batter rule. Use one or the other. Defining what a pitcher is could get tricky.

Too late in the game to implement DH in the NL this year, but it should happen as soon as possible.

I like the idea of punishing tankers, but the only bit of specifics mentioned so far is probably not quite right. I think it makes the most sense to punish only repeat "offenders" and not to make any real allowance for market size.

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It would never happen, but I wouldn't mind seeing the DH go away. Don't let the pitcher bat, just the 8 position players. Theoretically, those 8 become more important and could command more money. 

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21 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said:

I get that they're trying to speed up the game but a 3 batter minimum rule would be absurd. 

But why?

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The three batter rule would be hilarious though in a case where the player is melting down miguel asencio style

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52 minutes ago, cjgalloway said:

Because the game is boring now and it isn't attracting new fans.  "Baseball has been played the way it is now for well over 100 years" is a straight up lie OR you just don't know.  It's only been recently that this new bullpen fetish has started.  Back in the day guys would pitch the whole game no matter what.  Hell when we won the WS we had guys going 9 innings.  Now a days those guys are pulled at 6 pretty much no matter what and then there's 200 bullpen changes in the game.  It's a different (more boring) game than it was 10 years ago.  

I don't mean to beat a dead horse but the game is not "boring" in itself, it's boring because your team has nothing to play for.

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It would be a lot more entertaining if there weren’t teams trying to lose and that some teams weren’t spending almost 200 million a year more on payroll than others.  

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1 hour ago, Whitesox27 said:

I get that they're trying to speed up the game but a 3 batter minimum rule would be absurd. 

I think it should be implemented for pitchers that start games at the very least. I'm not crazy about it for the later innings unless they expand rosters to 26. You would almost have to carry an extra pitcher because I think it could be an issue for some guys durability over the course of a season.

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49 minutes ago, KiwiSox said:

I don't mean to beat a dead horse but the game is not "boring" in itself, it's boring because your team has nothing to play for.

As I've stated... it isn't boring for someone already invested.  It isn't even boring for me.  It is boring for everyone who isn't invested in the game and for the young people.  Meaning the game isn't going to pickup any new fans.  Little league will die, athletes will choose other sports, the game will get worse and so forth.  They need to not make it boring for the casual fan or person who isn't a fan yet. 

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54 minutes ago, cjgalloway said:

But why?

Let's say the Sox are winning by a run in the 9th inning. Alex Colome comes in to close it out but clearly doesn't have it that day. Walks the first hitter on four pitches. Do you really want him to have to face two more hitters because of an arbitrary rule that says he has to in order to speed up the game by a couple minutes? It makes zero sense. 

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5 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said:

Let's say the Sox are winning by a run in the 9th inning. Alex Colome comes in to close it out but clearly doesn't have it that day. Walks the first hitter on four pitches. Do you really want him to have to face two more hitters because of an arbitrary rule that says he has to in order to speed up the game by a couple minutes? It makes zero sense. 

Nitpicky comment here, but the closer pretty much never gets pulled after one batter (not even after two really) in a save situation. But I get where you're coming from.

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2 hours ago, Whitesox27 said:

I don't want anything to change. Those who don't have the attention span should watch something else.

Yeah, I don't know why MLB keeps catering to the casual-really-doesn't-care fan at the expense of the fans that love the game.  

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