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4 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

I wonder if Horn could be like Jace Fry or maybe even Aaron Bummer.

That's what I was thinking as well...I think they'll start him out as a starter and take it from there

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50 minutes ago, Jerksticks said:

I wonder how many “good” drafts actually happen.  The cubs are mistakingly lauded for player development, yet they’ve really never had a good draft outside of the Bryant layup.  Pretty much garbage the last 20 years.  
 

So I pretty much disagree with anybody who tries to put pressure on a franchise to have a good draft.  Having a good draft is a really nice thing when it happens and you enjoy it.  But to expect it or creepily judge it?  Eh. 

Hoerner may be the best shortstop in Chicago in 2 years

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What UDFAs we eyeing? For the most part, I assume who we like is unsignable

For example, I like Abel from Oregon State

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1 minute ago, ChiSoxJon said:

What UDFAs we eyeing? For the most part, I assume who we like is unsignable

For example, I like Abel from Oregon State

RHPs Gianluca Dalatri of UNC, Luke Smith of Louisville, Antonio Menendez of Wake Forest interest me too

UDFA period starts Sunday apparently

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4 minutes ago, ChiSoxJon said:

What UDFAs we eyeing? For the most part, I assume who we like is unsignable

For example, I like Abel from Oregon State

Will any HSers sign for 20K or less?

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6 minutes ago, ChiSoxJon said:

Will any HSers sign for 20K or less?

I wouldn’t think so!

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My favorite picks of each round:

1- Ed Howard, SS, IL-HS- 16 CHC
2- Jared Kelley, RHP, TX-HS- 47-CWS
3- Blaze Jordan, 1B, MS-HS- 89-BOS
4- Luke Little, LHP, TX-JuCO- 117-CHC
5- Horn is fine

Also really liked Casey Martin and Cole Wilcox in the 3rd, Ginn in the 2nd too

Torkelson, Kjerstad, Meyer, Hancock, Detmers, Jarvis I liked a lot early

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1 hour ago, tray said:

Howard should choose to go to college.

Lol.  Is there a way that can happen AND the cubs don’t get any compensation next year?  Because that’s definitely something I’m rooting for. 

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Howard would be stupid to not sign because the 21 and 23 drafts are going to be loaded with 2020 HS kids who are not signing this year. Much tougher competition  for him and too much downside compared to upside.

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Lol at people thinking Horn is a guy. Truly amazing. Guy was no where near a top 150 guy. He would not have been drafted anywhere close to here in a normal year and he was drafted there solely because he costs nothing. 

The draft ended after the 2nd round. Not a huge fan of a strategy putting all your eggs in two arm baskets and one of them is a right handed high school pitcher. Hope it works out but a lot of risk; I guess surviving a 5 round empty draft isnt that difficult though .

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2 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:

Why do people say a right handed high school pitcher is a bad profile to draft?

The're just so young.  Could blow out.  HS pitchers have high bust rates.. But they're the ones who become studs IF you hit.

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5 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:

Why do people say a right handed high school pitcher is a bad profile to draft?

It is by far the riskiest and least successful position drafted in mlb drafts. 

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4 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

The're just so young.  Could blow out.  HS pitchers have high bust rates.. But they're the ones who become studs IF you hit.

Ok... That's what I figured they meant.  I'm assuming the thought process is that the LH pitchers are worth the risk?

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2 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:

Ok... That's what I figured they meant.  I'm assuming the thought process is that the LH pitchers are worth the risk?

High school lefties are a little more successful. 

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15 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:

Why do people say a right handed high school pitcher is a bad profile to draft?

Lots of attrition. HS pitchers have a long ways to go to make it to the big leagues and a lot of bad things can happen along the way.  That's why the vast majority of top pitchers in baseball come from college.  They made thru their college years and have a much shorter path to the big leagues.  

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Just now, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Lots of attrition. HS pitchers have a long ways to go to make it to the big leagues and a lot of bad things can happen along the way.  That's why the vast majority of top pitchers in baseball come from college.  They made thru their college years and have a much shorter path to the big leagues.  

Yes. It's mostly injury attrition.  The college arms have been through an increased load and have shown more durability. Teams don't need to pay them for that. Drafting out if high school usually demands a big bonus and they take the greater chance of injury. 

The good thing about Kelley is he is already matured so that risk is less. However, he wont improve his performance much from a physical standpoint.  This is one of the critiques on him. The improvement will come from learning that breaking ball and how to pitch.

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14 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

It is by far the riskiest and least successful position drafted in mlb drafts. 

 

2 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Lots of attrition. HS pitchers have a long ways to go to make it to the big leagues and a lot of bad things can happen along the way.  That's why the vast majority of top pitchers in baseball come from college.  They made thru their college years and have a much shorter path to the big leagues.  

 

Putting pre-debut injury risks aside.... Does the fact that a guy like Kelley already has MLB caliber stuff and body help mitigate some of the risk?  When people bring up his "now" body, that's usually a knock on him.  Why wouldn't you want the guy who is guaranteed to have the right size over the guy you hope grows into that?   

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1 minute ago, Nardiwashere said:

 

 

Putting pre-debut injury risks aside.... Does the fact that a guy like Kelley already has MLB caliber stuff and body help mitigate some of the risk?  When people bring up his "now" body, that's usually a knock on him.  Why wouldn't you want the guy who is guaranteed to have the right size over the guy you hope grows into that?   

Sure.  I think the opinions on that can vary, but I think what’s important is that those opinions either way don’t really matter.  Outside of the top 2 picks it’s a homerun if your guy makes the big leagues.  And if that guy is a second rounder...holy smokes

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  9 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Lots of attrition. HS pitchers have a long ways to go to make it to the big leagues and a lot of bad things can happen along the way.  That's why the vast majority of top pitchers in baseball come from college.  They made thru their college years and have a much shorter path to the big leagues.  

 

Putting pre-debut injury risks aside.... Does the fact that a guy like Kelley already has MLB caliber stuff and body help mitigate some of the risk?  When people bring up his "now" body, that's usually a knock on him.  Why wouldn't you want the guy who is guaranteed to have the right size over the guy you hope grows into that?  

There is a very good chance he is already maxed out which means he has to maintain his stuff for a long period of time while learning a breaking ball and improving his command neither of which are close to MLB caliber. It is much more likey that his stuff will back up during that time which is why teams look for projectable bodies that continue to get bigger and stronger. You want players who continue to get better and build up to the big leagues.  Mick Abel is a perfect example of that.  

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I know teams limit the high schoolers innings in the minors but why don’t they mimick the college 7 day between starts the first few years?

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I don't get the consternation about investing the entire draft into 2 guys. In a good year, the Sox draft, what, 4 interesting guys plus a couple of college players we talk ourselves into liking because we're fans? It seems to me like we got the appropriate amount of players by cutting the slotted rounds in half...

I don't pay much attention to other teams, so maybe everybody else (without comp picks) drafted 5 rounds of worthwhile players?

 

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It's a little more difficult because HS and college schedules are different.  The good HS coaches still find a way to protect their pitchers but there are far too many who are only concerned about winning and overuse their best pitchers.   They just run them in the ground and it's really sad to see.  

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