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Collins needed to return so that the White Sox could preserve his option status. He didn't spend 20 days in the minors so the option doesn't count. He'll have an option remaining coming into the 2022 season now.

Nicely done on Norm day

even OJ thought that was murdered

I have been a Sox fan for 49 years. Winning the Division and making the playoffs are a really big deal for this ball club. It doesn't happen that often. I have learned to enjoy the journey as much as the destination. This season has been a great journey so far. There is no way to predict what will happen in the playoffs. I just hope the team is as healthy as they can be and i will enjoy every minute of it.

That’s one of those moments people will come on here and say we were too negative. That was legit one of the ugliest zero run innings of the year.

really not taking enough walks -- Keith Law

The one side of that ball is now flat.

ok

Well I think they thought that Zavala was more useful. Now they're bringing back Collins because Seby stinks too and it preserves Collins' option status and makes him much easier to trade this offseason

Stop peddling logic around here. Jeez.

never a doubt

Imagine not having anyone warming up when Wright hasn't been able to throw a strike all inning

Of course no one is warming up

TLR wants someone who can go multiple innings even if he's a garbage pitcher.

I thought mlb the show disrespected him with that 1 speed rating but now I might have to reconsider that thought.

Hope nobody is “bored” with a three run lead, 2 home runs and six runs after three and a half innings.

xBA of .170 on that HR for Walsh

He hit that to 95th, BS on that 447.

Leury out-OPSing Hernandez...

Abreu's helmet must be a nightmare to pick up, for the bat boys. Goodness, that is nasty.

If we lose to a guy name Packy then we deserved to lose to a guy named Packy

Yankees up 5-0 on Baltimore in the 3rd inning. It's becoming increasingly clear that the Wild Card is going to be won by the team that gets to play Baltimore last.

LOL

Fastball: Sits 90-93; sinks it low; modest arm-side run; predominantly flat elsewhere in the zone. Draws weak contact in the lower third; barrel magnet when he tries to elevate. Deception slightly pads quality; modest velocity and movement profile will give him smaller margin for error at the big league level. Grade: 45 Curveball: Often lacks target zone velocity, sitting around 74-76. Inconsistent arm speed, release point and follow through. Shows sharp 1/7 break at its best; decent amount of slow rolling hangers up in the zone. Backdoors it to steal strikes and works it low as a spike pitch. Swing and miss is more so a product of pitchability than raw stuff. Grade: 45 Changeup: Above-average offering; optimal velo separation at 80-83. Features late tumble and solid arm-side fade. Maintains arm speed; thrown with conviction; shows confidence utilizing the pitch in FB counts. Elicits weak contact and swing and miss from both LHB and RHB. Grade: 55 Control and Command: Crafty southpaw with advanced pitchability. Impressive control; pounds the zone with quality strikes; sequences well, avoiding predictable patterns and locations. Actively attacks the edges of the plate; gives up loud well barreled shots in the heart of the zone. Above-average command of FB and CH; CB command significantly lags behind. Control: 60 | Command: 55 Name: Extremely Stupid. Grade: 25

I've noticed a very big difference though. CNN and the broadcast networks are biased in choosing which facts/stories to emphasize and which ones to ignore. Someone uses a racial slur against a Democrat, it gets the full 4 hour primetime treatment. Someone uses a racial slur against a Republican and it just doesn't get mentioned. I don't often hear flat-out false information. Fox News, and to an even greater extent Newsmax and OAN, present much more information that just isn't true, either deliberately or because they didn't bother to fact check.

I'm not convinced that's true, at all. Say the Sox make a long playoff run. Say they win the World Series and Rodon is the ace during the playoffs, pulls a Bumgarner. While that will earn him more money on the open market, I also could very easily see Jerry and the brass making sure that World Series "hero" doesn't walk away for nothing.... A lot will have to do with this teams performance in October.

If the White Sox have taught me anything, its that they have no idea what the rotation will look like next year, let alone is 2024. Don't believe me? Go back 5 years and look at everyone's "future rotations" and line ups.

If we have to face Houston and they have HF, this is going to be a short playoff push.

Man, Bummer is the only guy who didn’t come in and immediately walk the known universe.

Must like to adopt dogs

Maybe it's too frivolous to really care about, but I'd rather see an actual reliever like Foster in this role than Mike Wright. If Foster goes 2 innings and can't pitch for a few days option him and recall someone else.

If Gio gets pulled this inning, that means more runs will have scored and there will likely be other runners on base. I would think you'd want to bring in someone good like Bummer or Crochet and then figure it out again once there's a clean inning.

God did we miss your framing Grandal.

YOU CRAZY FUCKING SON OF A b**** ELOY!

I guess they are going to keep sending him out there but come playoff time I don't see how you don't put Leury out there if Cesar keeps giving you nothing at the plate.

I'd happily take the high OBP zero power guy he was for years, too. But the version of Cesar we're seeing right now is a total 0 with the bat.

Ain't no sunshine today, beyond watching Norm's old clips. One of the GOATs

I know, I'm just accustomed to glancing at the game thread in the morning to remind me when they're playing, not a big thing obviously!

Hopefully this works better than their Engel strategy

The sheer tonnage of bullshit in this post could sink a cruise liner. I say with no hyperbole that I really don't even know where to start with this, but I'll give it the old college try as I'm sitting in the airport killing time. That...isn't science. There is a large difference between the scientific study by someone or a group of people......and a group of people going to feed stores putting horse paste on crackers because they don't "trust" the media but will trust the guy down the street who he follows on Facebook that posts wacky meme's. You of course are painting with an incredibly broad brush which really accomplishes nothing in this case. Who here has said they totally trust the media, totally trust the government? Who's making that argument? But not having full faith in those two institutions doesn't then mean every single person in the media or every single person in politics is lying. From the data I've gathered from sources I trust, I made the determination the vaccine was by far the safest way to protect myself and those around me. That doesn't make me a "sheep." It makes the people not getting the vaccine because "they don't like being told what to do" assholes. Everyone has the freedom to make their own decisions. That doesn't make them right.

They are day to day, as are we all.

It's great to have a gamethread again. Those off days are like a day without sunshine.

Just simply got that idea because of what I said. He didn't draw walks and didn't hit for power. Same reason why the sabergeeks out there who claim 40 years later, many of whom have probably never seen this guy play mind you, that Steve Garvey was overrated because he didn't walk enough. And Garvey too had some excellent WAR years. But I digress here because I've always promised myself to only talk baseball here and not Sabergeekness. But hey, I'm glad you posted this to show his worth.

Not sure where you get that idea, he has two incredible bWAR seasons (including a 7.2 season with the Mets in 1996). Top Eight White Sox Centerfield Seasons since 1968 as measured by bWAR: 6.1 Lance Johnson (1993) 5.9 Chet Lemon (1977) 5.8 Chet Lemon (1979) 5.7 Aaron Rowand (2004) 5.2 Adam Eaton (2014) 4.9 Chet Lemon (1978) 4.8 Chris Singleton (1999) 4.7 Ken Henderson (1974) Top 6 Career fWAR Leaders - Chicago White Sox Center Fielders # Name G PA HR R RBI SB BB% K% ISO BABIP AVG OBP SLG wOBA xwOBA wRC+ BsR Off Def WAR 12 Page size: 37 items in 2 pages 1 Fielder Jones 1153 5077 10 693 375 206 10.8% .057 .269 .357 .326 .337 116 2.2 97.7 38.4 32.3 2 Johnny Mostil 972 4096 23 618 376 176 10.1% 8.2% .126 .328 .301 .386 .427 .380 114 -4.3 70.9 20.9 22.9 3 Chet Lemon 785 3198 73 403 348 45 8.8% 11.8% .163 .309 .288 .363 .451 .365 127 -8.8 90.7 23.7 22.8 4 Jim Landis 1063 4183 83 532 398 127 11.5% 14.5% .135 .279 .250 .346 .385 .330 104 9.6 32.8 42.9 20.3 5 Happy Felsch 749 3129 38 385 446 88 6.6% 8.0% .134 .312 .293 .347 .427 .369 121 -1.8 75.1 1.6 19.7 6 Lance Johnson 945 3820 17 483 327 226 5.5% 6.8% .087 .303 .286 .325 .373 .312 91 16.1 -23.5 71.0 17.3

Really, is that why? I thought Kelenic was his son or something.

Wow. Benetti really exploded on that podcast. Good for him. It's simply ridiculous to not let he and Stone travel on the road. How the hell are you supposed to broadcast a game watching it on TV in Chicago? Awful decision. Cmon. Compared to player contracts these announcers' pay mean nothing to the bottom line. I bet Stone refuses to do this next season.

How about we give him a BSW....blown save win.

Nothing else to be said. The trades were trash. Kimbrel trades will go down as a terrible trade. Do you even pick up Kimbrel's option next year if he falls apart entirely down the stretch? He blows every single game. Can't throw strikes. Has a FIP near 5, an ERA near 6.

Shocking that players are getting rest with a big division lead