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REALLY? YOU DON'T SAY? I simply can't fathom why a White Sox message board would seemingly be more negative than positive after going 162-324 in the last three years. SOMEONE MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!

We are already there. This location does not hold the fanbases interest if this franchise is not consistently winning. Attendance hasn't been this low since the 1900s. This is also a franchise that has almost moved multiple times. I know this is supposed to scare everyone, but we haven't been away from 35/Shields since 1909, yet this franchise is already in imment danger. The fan base is gone. It's at modern lows. This stadium has been a complete failure.

They were never gonna trade him

https://nhl24all.ir/ courtesy of a different poster who shared these with me and I don't want to see get in trouble 🤫🤐. good for nfl, mlb, etc just change the name of the league in the url.

MLB currently has zombie franchises in Miami, TB and uh, Sacramento and they want to move into SLC and Nashville? With the bubble burst on the broadcast rights, at least partially, I don't see a need to expand right now. It would just increase the number of takers relative to makers.

It would bother me if they moved. I want my White Sox here in Chicago. No two ways about it

This just reinforced the fact that the Rays invested every penny into being cost efficient and running the best major league team possible with limited resources. Pretty much the exact opposite of the White Sox, who spend like drunken sailors on the dumbest things over the last twenty years or so. And what's the headline here? The White Sox MIGHT NOT be one of the five cheapest organizations, but we can't really be sure??? "The organization let Rodon walk, and not for the $22MM or whatever he made in 2022 while putting up his 2nd straight top 5 Cy Young season, but because of the $18MM qualifying offer they were too afraid to offer him. When I was told about the innards of what happened with Rodon from someone EXTREMELY close to the situation (hint hint), that's when my ears perked up and I started to think they were actually in the process of hoodwinking their fans. In hindsight, that realization didn't strike me when they half assed the Machado/Harper pursuit like it should have. It was when they were too afraid of paying a SP1 $18MM for a one year deal. It was always about money for the club. ALWAYS. We were fucking hoodwinked, beyond belief and the same owner and front office who constructed this roster with fucked up financial constraint are now tasked with starting over. Again. After they very publicly said they were going to act like a top tier franchise. Instead the organizational health is the worst it's ever been, at least for the entirety of my adult life." https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3476003/one-of-the-worst-organizations-in-baseball-the-chicago-white-sox-just-dealt-lucas-giolito-in-the-middle-of-their-competitive-window 7/29/2023 WhiteSoxDave Just weeks before the Chris Getz coup 'd etat.

The Sox have not made money this decade.

Who does Keller think he’s facing, Tim Anderson?

PCA is the embodiment of the brain rot baseball era.

Looks like he kept the tag on as PCA came off the bag

Whether he’s out or not that’s a terrible tag by Fermin But in reality, the Padres pitching has been plenty good enough this series. Their offense has been total dogshit in the playoffs since game 2 of the NLDS last year.

It's not gonna matter if the Padres can't score a run.

Why didn’t King start this game?

Announcers going nuts about a play he would tell you he botched

How slow is Arraez? That's 2 he should have beaten out at first.

Elected free agency today. Boom!

Regardless of where they go, they will probably need a short term extension at the current location at the very least.

And that will be 4 billion, as it will be 2 teams. None of these guys are turning down a check for ~133 million dollars. That's why expansion.

Bigger better 4K TVs and camera tech has made hockey much better to watch on TV now.

Why would they be threatening to leave while not trying to build a new stadium? That seems like the easiest thing ever?

And there's no reason for you to, you are simply a fan and that doesn't count for much in this type of negotiation. If something actually takes place you'll hear about it.

I would rather have Mr. Hankey as GM.

If it is true that Ishbia is threatening the move, then they’re as good as gone. Nashville was first floated in 2023, before he was part of the equation, so he was either behind the scenes much earlier, or he’s jumping on the threat bandwagon. I find it hilarious and infuriating at the same time when fans who live a thousand miles outside of Chicago say “good riddance, I hope they move.”

That is fair, breaking it down into a first half and second half. I gave Getz a higher grade because he was stuck with Pedro Girfol in 2024 and the remnants of a cancer clubhouse/organization that still lingered. Nobody has brought up that the Sox were about as low as you could get with ex-players, the media, and fans. In 2023 Kenyan Middleton got traded mid-season to the Yankees and he opened up how bad things were with the Sox. You guys know all this, but things were so bad it wasn't an easy fix. I give credit to Getz for bringing in Venable, who the players have taken to. All of that "clubhouse" cancer is in the rear-view mirror, there is a new vibe with the youth movement, and they are responding. If you want to point out things you don't like about Veneable's managing, that is fair also.

Losing 10 of 11 is insane. What does Schriff say about it now. On the highlights he'll scream stuff like 'this team doesn't quit.' And gush about the young nucleus. Colson is so good he should do for us what Witt did for KC. One playoff appearance in 2 years. Again, with 'some' talent, this team should be fined and/or kicked out of baseball if it doesn't attempt to improve enough to contend next season. We have good catchers, good center fielder, good SS, good 2B. We are strong up the middle. We need a real power bat. And we need a lot of pitching help. But to not even try to build on our core is inexcusable. All it would take is money.

If this happens, it would be such a Sox fan thing to have to deal with......waiting all these years to finally be rid of Jerry Reinsdorf's incompetence only to have the team cease to exist (as far as I'd be concerned). I'm not saying I'm predicting this will happen, but that it would "just figure" - typical Sox fan luck.

The ISFA is responsible for Rate Field so it would be for use of that site.

Negotiating an extension at Rate

Sure it is. Otherwise he would have put it in the Diamond...cutting down those noticing it by 85%. If I put it here, it would have likely resulted in 2-3 snarky comments and the usual emoticons in reaction. Then a follow-up psychoanalysis from Cali and Rockway on the state of board discussion.

This seems desperate.

I think I had the Sox in the mid-70s for wins in 2024, so... oops.

The write-up on the Rays sounds wayyyyy worse than the Pirates one. Also " I was officially in minor league camp, but I kept getting pulled over to the big league side. This is a subtle way teams can save money: they get a big league-caliber arm available for games and workouts, but since I wasn’t officially on the major league roster, they didn’t have to pay me major league spring training money or provide the usual housing." Every team does this regardless of funds.

Shouldn’t this thread go in “The Diamond Club”? It doesn’t look like he ever played for the White Sox. And not to excuse the cheap teams out there, but if this guy wasn’t an absolutely terrible pitcher, some teams would have valued him more and paid him. It would be like Cam Booser complaining about the Sox being cheap to him. 🤣

Brother, I haven't seen a post of yours in months that wasn't a troll post. One or two sentences, dismissive, seemingly 'holier than thou'. No real analysis. Nothing in good faith. Nothing kind. God forbid I respond to a thread regardless of its date. Some forums have a policy to lock threads after a certain date. You have that power. Since that wasn't the case, I replied to it! I think you appreciate the discussion or you wouldn't have replied four times. Others seem to be replying to it as well considering it's the offseason and there isn't much to talk about besides "this team sux" and Garrett Crochet objectively rocks. I'd consider it a useful bump or else nobody would've replied to it. I made a serious thread a few weeks ago hoping to prompt discussion and nobody replied to it, aw shucks. I'm certainly not "laughing" at anyone. It isn't that serious. It's a bat and ball game. We're all fans of a team that is historically not very good and the more marginal team in our city of residence. The idea is that some might reflect on their emotionally-driven tirades and make more thoughtful posts in the future. Maybe a silly idea. You act as though I can control people's ways of thinking whereas we've recently determined that you admins control the weather, stalk posters, are possibly non-human entities, etc. I tend to think the admins are the ones to facilitate discussion and not relatively new users. You have more power over this matter than I do. Genuinely, the discussion was interesting and there are a lot of posts that made no sense even at the time. I suspect time will progress and posts made over the past year will look similarly as misinformed. I'm mostly intrigued by the idea that Crochet could never be a starter because of his limited experience/injury history. I think it's akin to Montgomery being called a bust and now this talk of Noah Schultz. Jury is still out on Schultz or if Montgomery can repeat his awesomeness. I purposefully didn't quote any of your posts because I thought it might offend you, but it seemingly did regardless. I was trying to avoid conflict! You didn't have to respond, my friend!

ESPN has the absolute worst broadcasts. Last night, they cut away from an Ohtani lead off home run to show a WNBA talkshow. Later on, they were showing a replay while Tommy Edman was hitting a home run. Tonight, I'm simply annoyed by the dumbass broadcasters. Trevor Story had a pretty good game and the room temperature IQ broadcaster thought he was very clever talking about Story's "storyline season" (get it?)...except the dude put up .740 OPS this year after a couple of years putting up .900+ OPS and is one of the most overpaid/oft-injured players in baseball. Hardly a storyline season. Maybe he meant it's like the tenku in the Japanese kishōtenketsu four-act play structure, a "twist" of sorts, but I sort of doubt it. I think the guy simply couldn't resist the lowest brow play on words imaginable regardless of whether or not it made sense. Worse than Schriffen.

Hiring Stearns has been an unabashed failure. Eppler was clearly better at the job. I wonder if it's a coincidence that the Brewers took a step forward after Stearns left and they hired Eppler as a 'special advisor'. Also, feel like it's simply karma that the criminal racketeer/inside trading owner isn't being rewarded for his ill begotten gains. Yes, none of these owners earned their money ethically, but this guy has got to be the biggest sleezeball in MLB.

Nashville was 100% a Dave Stewart/TLR joint. Has that since changed?

It's smaller, but it would be all theirs. Nashville does support their teams too. Plus if they can squeeze money out for a stadium that they can't get in Chicago that changes things too.

I always find this ironic from people who moved 1000 miles away for better opportunity.

You bring up good points about Nashville, Lip. But with all do respect, I have found that it is out of state Sox fans who find it much easier to say it wouldn't bother them one bit if the Sox left town.

I think we all recognize that this team wasn't going to compete during Crochet's arb-time here. Therefore, a trade looked like a clear path to goosing the current rebuild. In the initial analysis of the return, it does look like Getz got back two impact prospects in Teel and Monty, a serviceable player in Meidroth, and a possible bullpen piece in Wikelman. So, in grading this particular season, Getz did what was required and didn't cause consternation with the horrible return. As far as a long term grade, obviously, Crochet, Monty and Teel have their entire careers in front of them and it really can't be judged until we see how these guys turn out.

Eh, the trade right now looks to be a win win for both teams. Calling it anything else seems premature at best. And let's be cognizant that Crochet has already had TJS and will carry an elevated injury risk on a large contract for the next 6 years. There's downside risk the Sox avoided by getting cost controlled young position players for him.

Ray it's been a minute but you're back on your BS again. Gotta call you out here. Why are you choosing this particular moment to take a victory lap? There's no way to judge this trade for another 3-4 years. There's so much still to happen. Lord knows we've had trades like fine or even great after one or two seasons only for them to look horrific 4-5 years down the road.

You're so silly. of course the Red Sox were going to "win the trade" in year one.. we received a bunch of prospects. None of which may I add, took a step back.

Damn. We were so close

It's obvious the coaching was the reason we missed the playoffs. Pencil us in next year. Getz amassed all that talent. The coaching staff held them back this year.

Ask the pitchers who did it if it means anything to them. Thirty or so years ago when Pizza Hut was giving a free pizza to anyone with a ticket stub from a shut out we'd have been eating like kings.

I don't know that "fooled" is the best term. For my two cents, a team isn't as good as win it is on a winning streak, and it isn't as bad as it was when they were on a losing streak. This was never a .500 + team, and luckily this year it was never a .250 team.