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Another example of a "poor" team spending money and a reliever at that. I don't think the public finances are accurate.

Honestly, I’d be ecstatic about the idea if I were a Reds fan. Prospect hugging B tier guys while shooting for 80 wins doesn’t seem like a lot of fun to me. I’d much rather take a calculated risk and hope Robert can stay healthy and return to form offensively (which he flashed prior to injury last year) in a new environment.

I don’t blame them. I wouldn’t be that excited either.

Lots of Robert talk on the Reds forum recently. Most posters seem very unexcited about the idea and do the “I’ll take him if the Sox cover half his salary and he costs nothing in terms of prospects”…lol. The reality in my mind is the Reds need to take a big swing via trade in hopes of landing an impact player or risk being stuck in baseball purgatory for the near future. I think Robert is the perfect move for them because he won’t cost a premium prospect but comes with a very high ceiling if all goes right. Fans don’t normally love that, but a GM who is handicapped by their cheap owners and is feeling some pressure to win may feel differently. I think if a deal happens before OD, it’s very likely going to be with Cincinnati.

Fwiw, Gio is in Chicago right now training at UIC. I think his partner is from the Chicagoland area.

It seems like he actually moves this time. Not sure how quickly.

If they do trade Robert, I think Baldwin is the best internal candidate for CF.

I don’t mind if we have another draft pick and another prospect or two.

The movies section has died and people are always looking for things to watch during the holidays.

So, the White Sox probably had him for 2/$10M based on the exciting culture they're building, but he had to turn them down due to his illness. That's cool.

On a slightly different topic but referring to Garfien's lineup, isn't it nice to see a Sox lineup without the 3 or 4 terrible bats at the end of the order. How long has it been since the Sox had a lineup with real bats batting 7th, 8th, and 9th? Tooooo long.

What in the f*** is happening in this post. You’re a good dude caulfield, but you also bring on a lot of negative energy towards yourself by posting mindless slop like the above.

This guy will take Chicago by storm. The White Sox finally make a move that figures to show in the standings and the stands. Finally some activity on the south side.

The white sox should not be considered small market. They are a team that plays in a large market that pretends to be a small market team.

You do understand they have to play the games this year, right? If they don't have a "top prospect" ready to step in at CF, or into the rotation, I'm not sure what your solution is. If Sean Newcomb wins a starting job and is good enough to hold off the likes of Cannon or Davitt, he's probably good enough to get interest at the TDL. Same with Jake Meyers.

It’s worth noting that Baldwin was better defensively in CF than any other position he played last year. And I think he would benefit from playing one position consistently as opposed to constantly moving around.

Prospects like this? Yhoiker Fajardo is the real prize. Nineteen-year-old who reached Low-A for the Red Sox after being dealt from the White Sox and struck out a ton of people. Above average pitches thus far, but he's got tons of projection remaining (6'3", 181 lbs.) to make them better.

It doesn't matter.

There’s been a few exceptions other than Leury. Keppinger and Danks come immediately to mind, but there’s others I know I’m not mentioning.

One of my favorite articles is from Grantland and it boils down to "Mark Buehrle is so elite at defense and keeping batters on their toes that he succeeds." The Curious Case of Mark Buehrle

As a big Hall person, I'm fine with Harold because I think he just straddles the line enough that it lowers the floor a bit. There's enough shitty people in the Hall that I don't mind it get diluted. It would also allow for guys that counting stats don't necessarily love, like Buehrle or Joey Votto, to have a stronger shot.

As someone surrounded by Mets family, friends and co-workers, I want the Luis Robert Mets jersey after they failed to re-sign Quintana (who I would have gotten)

He had a 119 wRC+ against RHP in the second half of the season last year. He has sneaky speed and was ok defensively in CF in his first go at it based on advanced metrics. To me, there is a very useful player here. His fWAR was bad because of poor defense in many other spots (mostly OF corners), but I think with time that will change. I think his floor is a quality utility guy and his ceiling is a first division regular if he can find a spot where he can excel.

I have said this over and over and I'm going to say it again: Lenyn Sosa led the team in home runs, RBIs, and hits, and this is on a team that lacked power and really struggled to score runs. And yet, the overwhelming majority of people on this board have him playing backup or want to trade him. I really like Meidroth (there's a lot to like), but he has to sit and Sosa has to be playing 2nd base next year. I know everyone is going to complain about his defense, but again, I heard on a podcast that he was slightly below the league average at 2nd, and it's his stats at 1st that pulled his D-stats down. And the thing with Sosa (I said it before) is his mistakes are so obviously bad (as opposed to a missed grounder by Meidroth) that he appears much worse defensively than he is statistically. When people think of Meidroth, they think of his demeanor in the dugout and his cute play where he avoided that tag stealing 2nd. Those are great things, but they don't put a player in front of the guy (again) who led your team in home runs, RBIs, and hits. People seem to forget that Sosa is also young and he's going to keep improving. It's a lot easier to accept that Sosa will become acceptable on D at 2nd before ever thinking Meidroth will hit 20 home runs in a season and lead the team in RBIs.

As someone who is currently dating a Reds fan, I hope this happens lol. Told her I might buy a Robert jersey out of principle.

Kinda saw this coming. I think Newcomb was the fallback position.

Yeah, my line of thinking on this topic has changed as more has been reported here. You aren't taking operations debt on for paper losses. That doesn't make sense. You take on debt for real losses.

1 year, 13 million.

Agreed. And they are a good fit compensation wise with the Sox. I think if we can leverage the NYM interest a bit longer maybe we can pull whatever second piece Getz has his eye on. I do hope that the CF plan isn't just Baldwin or Pereira. I'd like to see them send Cannon to HOU for Meyers or make a big trade with Quero for a good young CF MLBer or prospect.

Injuries aside, I love the idea of him playing on a Francona managed team and he has so much more upside than a Bader or some of the alternatives. I would prefer to keep him especially with some lineup support but I’ve come to grips with him not being in the lineup come March

Yep, and if you push out towards a not abnormal 18 months, this year is completely lost. No idea where they are, because no one has said.

Worth mentioning that the 2 TJ surgery guys from the Reds (not saying I want them necessarily but since they’ve been talked about) had their surgeries in September and October 2024 so they should be good to go in Spring Training even assuming 14-month recovery. As for White Sox TJ surgeries, Bush and Thorpe had theirs Feb and March 25 so they may be 60-day IL guys to open the year (open 40-man spots), depending on their progress. I haven’t seen any updates on either in a while but just tossing that out there.

If I remember correctly, FanGraphs subtracts risk from their ratings. So a High school pitcher is almost automatically high or very high risk so if a 60FV max they subtract 10-15 due to the risk. So Schultz and Smith probably had their risk go up after tough years and get dinged relative to guys who performed well.

Very good context. There's a lot of managing innings with young starting pitching. If you make some of these arguments fans vs. pitching coach , the fan gets blown out of the water .

Where is it insinuated that Cubs are out? I think they're the favorites.

Mehhhhh...

Isn't that because they were concerned with his total innings jump, just like Crochet the previous year down the stretch? He went from 90 to 146...so they probably capped him at around 150. And also using LHP reliever openers against LHB dominant 1-6 hitters?

If those top guys are all 50 FV's, the White Sox are in a world of trouble. That would basically mean that Schultz and Smith are #4 starters.

I think he’s worth more to us a 10th man than what he’d return on the trade market.

On the latest Pipeline podcast, Jim Callis had some kind words about Hagen. He basically said he looked back to his old self in the AFL, and rejuvenated his confidence he can start.

Its actually a little lower than 15% since this only went through 2023 so you then include 2023 100 Loss Teams: White Sox, Royals, A's, Rockies 2024 100 Loss Teams: White Sox, Marlins, Rockies 2025 100 Loss Teams: White Sox, Rockies Out of those 9 instances, only the Royals (Over .500 in 2024) accomplished it and that was with going 12-1 against the hapless White Sox. So its probably anywhere from 10-15% chance it happens, which obviously is not great.

These committees are hot garbage at picking hall of famers.

He was so shaky on the corners though...how would he have built the confidence to run the entire outfield? It's just like playing Sosa everyday at second base.

Nobody would. It's the same arguments we'll be hearing about prospects at 2026 trade deadline if Murakami has 25 homers, .260 average and 900+ ops. Why trade him and piss off the fans? Same reason the Tigers are going to trade Skubal for a boatload of prospects...they would never give $400 million or even $200-$250 million to a pitcher 30 and over when they could get 4 of the Dodgers Top Ten prospects and Sheehan while absorbing the much lesser Glasnow contract.

Hill/Pereira/Bleday