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If it makes you feel better, Yoan4Moan is a Cubs fan troll who's been banned under other screen names. Jerry kicked Lip's dog in the 80's or something and he hasn't said anything positive on these boards since 2001. If you can actually make it through an entire Caulfield ramble, you might actually be crazy too. If you ignore those 3, the board starts making a lot more sense. Carry on.

I love the armchair pitching coaches even more than the hot take meatballs though. He had no fastball command after the Yankee game? Are you people for real? He was cruising tonight with the fastball change combo and had 13 swinging strikes. Got by against the Twins solely with the change....fathom you‘re a fucking hoot. 🤣

I mean, how many sell out crowds have they had? 6-7? They won their home opener, beat the Yankees the first two. Lost to the Cubs now and a couple others. This take is nothing but recency bias every time.

Hope Lester does not get 2 ft off the corner again tonight

All I can think of is that it's a mental thing with him. It's happened to pitchers before, just can no longer find the strike zone and the more they think about it the worse it gets. But with him it is incredible, going from leading all minor league pitchers in strikeouts to a guy getting ready to take a quick ride to retirement. With Fulmer I think it is a combination of his bizarre delivery which cause him to miss often his release point, the fact that the Sox rushed him in my opinion to the majors in some misguided effort to "justify" their selection of him and then having had his delivery tweeked and changed so often that the guy no longer knows which way is up.

if we get a good nova game tomrorow

Moncada gets on base then my guy bats with game on the line ... not a good scenario as I'm usually doomed. I better log off.

Another hit for Rutherford. 3-4, 2B, RBI

I like you as a poster, but it’s ok to just admit he sucked in a game. You don’t need to act as Giolito’s publicist...we all like him.

My favorite game-thread trope is when people exclaim "Just throw strikes!" Like the pitcher is actively trying to throw balls instead.

This is just set up for a walkoff eloy granny.

He did? He was fine for the first 4 innings. He lost his mechanics in the 5th. Enough with the nervous and spazzy shit. You all sound so stupid

That inning was a total anomaly for Giolito this season. If you're trying to read more into than that, it's quite the meat ball take. No one claimed he was a completely finished product and finely groomed ace. There was always going to be a little bit of regression. What did you think? He was going to maintain a 0.83 ERA that he had over that stretch? Get the hell out of here. End of discussion.

Cubs just have his number. The Sox lit up both Strasburg and Sale. It happens

No, but apparently it is fun to post the hottest meatball takes the second something bad happens for a lot of people here

Either this forum is infested with trolls or you guys just love to be miserable.

Man am I stupid or what?

Yup. They are both doing fine.

You do god's work in these game-threads.

Imagine believing that

Shocked Lester didn't get that call.

That was a pretty easy shorthop. A major league 1b has to pick that

I'm not falling all over myself. I'm merely saying that at the time it was not the most ridiculous trade ever. Trading a burned out prospect and a lottery ticket (that happened to become a $100,000,000 lottery winner) for a former very good pitcher is often done and sometimes the pitcher turns it around. For you to suggest Cole Hamels was Cy Young and Shields was garbage...and most of your evidence is Hamels winning more popularity contests and being hot in the 2008 playoffs and using "shit" and "fuck" and lots of questions marks doesn't make it true. At his peak Hamels was better than Shields but Shields pitched in the AL East as TBR best pitcher and Hamels in the NL East behind the great Roy Halladay . The five years prior to the trade Shields had 18.3 WAR and Hamels had 18.9. Shields was making $21 million a year, Hamels $23. In their 34th year they were terrible...Hamels with the five game stretch of 10+ ERA immediately before the trade. I don't think the comparison is out of line. But honestly...You win. Go back to the daily self flagellation about one trade that turned out bad and how management is stupid and everything is horrible and it will be horrible forever.

I don't know if there's anyone here who has as consistently opposed the white sox rushing people over the years as me, so keep that in mind when I say this. I want him up earlier than that. He has a good spring training and a good month in AA next year and he's my first baseman. If something goes wrong and his numbers aren't there, fine...but this is a hitter who should be ready to go. Get him to AA this year. Are they heading to the southern league playoffs? Start him in AA next year, let him prove he's better than those guys (he absolutely should be) and f*** it, throw him into the fire.

They’re a decent team that’s about it

The Sox rebuild is doomed if they cant even sign a guy like Pablo Ozuna.

Corey Dickerson? Might as well just offer an extension to Jon Jay.

The best is Bruce Levine who can change every conversation to the Cubs in a matter of seconds. He has been talking about the Cubs trading for leadoff hitter Whit Merrifield for over a month.

It is crystal clear that pitching needs to be the Sox #1 priority in the offseason. Going into 2020 with Giolito as the anchor of your rotation is a recipe for disaster. The Cubbies got Lester, the Astros got Verlander, and the Bo Sox traded the farm for Sale. The Sox need to acquire an ace this offseason by whatever means necessary. Pony up for Cole or make a trade for Grienke. Adding a guy like Dallas Kuechel or Alex Wood as a secondary piece makes a lot of sense as well.

Would anybody mind if I applauded Jose for his 2-for-3? I love Jose Abreu.

Gio is a #4 on a contender. Kopech and Cease are more talented. And the Sox will have to find their Lester in FA.

There absolutely no reason to be doing this right now.

No, it just happens when you're fans of a major market team that hasn't been to the post season since 2008.

Pitchers aren’t allowed to have bad games you fool

Thats what happens when you walk the ballpark.

He showed it

that's one of the worst errors i have seen in a long time

He had 8 swings and misses in the first 2 innings. Most pitchers need 6 or 7 innings to reach that. relax

Giolito was getting some borderline calls already.

He is so annoying.

Listening to Len Kasper will be agony.

I feel a bit for Eloy because of the sun but come the fuck on

Ridiculous that Robert is able to mash AA without a "more fully realized plan in every at-bat."

Greg...you have every right to like any player and have an opinion just like all of us. We're fans and have cheap opinions. Nothing is going to change because of anything said here. I won't be surprised if your closer on what happens in the Jose situation then the people giving you a hard time. The FO lived with Konerko far past his expiration date.

Saying it now... Jerry West is the goat.

I keep feeling like the Brewers and Sox are a great fit for a Colome trade. I have no idea if the Brewers and/or Sox would do this, but Burnes is a great buy low type guy from them. He's had a miserable start to the season, as he can't keep the ball in the park. With that said, he has elite stuff (ridiculous spin rate numbers) and wouldn't mind giving him starts the rest of the way to see if he can work on his command inside the zone.

Thanks for the responses guys. So I guess the answer to my question is “not much”. Was just thinking about the development curve of Moncada and Giolito (and maybe seeing the same trajectory for Eloy) and thinking guys that are this close might benefit from getting their feet wet sooner and working the kinks out before it they’re in full compete mode.

Greg, are you dense? Did you not just gloss over two posts in which Chicago White Sox and I explained why Machado is worth more than Abreu? Go back and read the posts before you utter more BS.

Considering the last two years he was worth 6.1 bWAR and 3.7 fWAR, he's easily worth $6million a year. His career OPS is also weighed down by his first three years when he was sub .600. the last two years he's been right around .700. I've got no issue whatsoever giving $6million to a utility infielder who plays plus defense at every position, has great range, and is a great clubhouse presence. That's actually a bargain for what he brings to the table. He's exactly the type of bench player you want on the team when we start to compete again.